All borders to reopen.
If you take time to read the MoH Air Border Order which was updated this April, you’ll find that Aircrew who operate Red zone flights are not permitted to fly Green Zone flights at all and must be kept separate.
Under the rules in NZ, red zone crew may operate domestically in NZ only after a 72 hour stand down and a negative PCR test, just as it always has been since July 2020. However aircrew must also comply with Australian rules requiring red zone crew to have spent 14 days in NZ before operating a trans-Tasman green zone flight.
But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Under the rules in NZ, red zone crew may operate domestically in NZ only after a 72 hour stand down and a negative PCR test, just as it always has been since July 2020. However aircrew must also comply with Australian rules requiring red zone crew to have spent 14 days in NZ before operating a trans-Tasman green zone flight.
But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
You fly over to the USA and the rule upon return is a minimum of 2 days quarantine plus a negative test. Is that correct? After those two requirements are completed what then? Free to move about in the community. You know things like shopping, going to the rugby, off to the pub, concert perhaps. All the pastimes and freedoms that anyone else has. Is that correct? What I’m talking about has nothing to do with red or green flights. It’s what happens outside the Tasman rule set that bothers me. I’ve read all the documents. Tell me where I’m wrong please if you can.
Enlighten us.
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You fly over to the USA and the rule upon return is a minimum of 2 days quarantine plus a negative test. Is that correct? After those two requirements are completed what then? Free to move about in the community. You know things like shopping, going to the rugby, off to the pub, concert perhaps. All the pastimes and freedoms that anyone else has. Is that correct?
As I mentioned above, I haven't read the Australian rules, how often do red zone cabin crew in Australia have to be tested once they have arrived back into Australia?
What I’m talking about has nothing to do with red or green flights. It’s what happens outside the Tasman rule set that bothers me. I’ve read all the documents. Tell me where I’m wrong please if you can.
Enlighten us.
Enlighten us.
Messaging is going to the airlines that by the time the NZ green zone extends to the Cook Islands and Niue this month the only aircrew that should be operating internationally from NZ will be vaccinated crew. This is in anticipation of further extending of the Green Zone to other Pacific Island nations and selected Asian destinations towards the middle of 2021, once vaccination groups 1, 2 and 3 are complete.
How the Australian Government wants to play this bubble is up to the Australian Government, but once you are in a travel bubble you are at the mercy of the way the other countries operate themselves.
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How the Australian Government wants to play this bubble is up to the Australian Government, but once you are in a travel bubble you are at the mercy of the way the other countries operate themselves.[/QUOTE]
That’s an arrogant position coming from someone who can’t be bothered reading our rules yet I have read yours. The bubble is a partnership mate. Don’t worry this matter has the attention of our governments both federal and state. I for one am comfortable with how NZ treats it’s aircrew. That is, with respect and trust. It’s the Australian Government and to a lesser degree the State Governments that I have issue with.
Take care. Stay safe and don’t cough.
How the Australian Government wants to play this bubble is up to the Australian Government, but once you are in a travel bubble you are at the mercy of the way the other countries operate themselves.[/QUOTE]
That’s an arrogant position coming from someone who can’t be bothered reading our rules yet I have read yours. The bubble is a partnership mate. Don’t worry this matter has the attention of our governments both federal and state. I for one am comfortable with how NZ treats it’s aircrew. That is, with respect and trust. It’s the Australian Government and to a lesser degree the State Governments that I have issue with.
Take care. Stay safe and don’t cough.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...erth/100108244
Another breach.....very low risk from the cook islands luckily but how have they not got these systems worked out
Another breach.....very low risk from the cook islands luckily but how have they not got these systems worked out
A lot of kiwis won’t be travelling purely because they see things like this happening and instantly assume the whole of Australia is just full of incompetents.
The same for Australians. They need some pilots to fix it up. 😀
“Passenger Karen Leech said she had been told by another passenger that there was a man on the flight who had recently been in Rarotonga but had not quarantined in New Zealand as required.”
"He managed to somehow get onto the flight from Auckland to Perth," she said.
So who dropped the ball here? Was it Australia or New Zealand?
“Passenger Karen Leech said she had been told by another passenger that there was a man on the flight who had recently been in Rarotonga but had not quarantined in New Zealand as required.”
"He managed to somehow get onto the flight from Auckland to Perth," she said.
So who dropped the ball here? Was it Australia or New Zealand?
WA has announced two positive C-19 test. Why is there a short sharp snap lock down for 3 days announced immediately? Whats changed behind the scenes is he worried WA people might actually not like him anymore
It’s three positive tests I believe. The reason a lockdown was not immediately ordered is because partial restrictions were already in place when the guard was infectious in the community reducing the risk of transmission somewhat.
..................and there's a Western Derby AFL game scheduled tomorrow.
This morning's radio 2GB (SY) announcing that the DIRECT flights between PER - AUK cancelled for the time being.
And I DO hope to be going to the WA Derby at Perth's Optus Oval this arvo.....Wearing a mask of course....
Further announcements by WA Gummint to be made later this morning.....We shall see what we shall see...
And I DO hope to be going to the WA Derby at Perth's Optus Oval this arvo.....Wearing a mask of course....
Further announcements by WA Gummint to be made later this morning.....We shall see what we shall see...
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But Scomo and Dutton said hotel quarantine is 99.99% effective? Oh yeah that’s right 99% plus are not infected with COVID to start with so it’s a free 99% before they even start. The AMA was saying the escapes are now approaching 1 in 100 when you do the stats on actual positive cases compared to leaks. I still believe the 2 year rule, these muppet politicians take 2 years to actually fix problems properly, both State and Federal, they have 11 months to go....
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And I’m loving McGowan now feeling the pressure, it’s very easy to throw stones at other States but far different when you actually have to do something. Statistics speak louder than words and it’s now obvious that WA hotel quarantine is the worst in the country, they hardly take anyone compared to other states yet they leak like a submarine with fly screens. If McGowan was true to his word he would lock down again, but I think he is finding it a bit harder politically when the shoe is on the other foot. What are you waiting for? destroy the virus lock it down premier! Lol...That’s what you were lecturing every other state with last year?
Yeah Well......Just held a Press Conference....and announced......NO AUDIENCE ATTENDANCE at the WA DERBY this arvo..!!
Boo - Hoo Some WA Voters will NOT like this I reckon. But then, is it 'better' to inconvenience some 45,000 fans , rather then the 'Thousands' affected by a lockdown..??..
So, there is NO "LOCKDOWN" for the Perth / Peel Region.....BUT.....NO Footy Audience....
(Blamed on the 'crush' of people getting to / from the game on trains busses etc and the 'walking crush' at the game entries / exits etc)
Boo - Hoo Some WA Voters will NOT like this I reckon. But then, is it 'better' to inconvenience some 45,000 fans , rather then the 'Thousands' affected by a lockdown..??..
So, there is NO "LOCKDOWN" for the Perth / Peel Region.....BUT.....NO Footy Audience....
(Blamed on the 'crush' of people getting to / from the game on trains busses etc and the 'walking crush' at the game entries / exits etc)
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And I’m loving McGowan now feeling the pressure, it’s very easy to throw stones at other States but far different when you actually have to do something. Statistics speak louder than words and it’s now obvious that WA hotel quarantine is the worst in the country, they hardly take anyone compared to other states yet they leak like a submarine with fly screens. If McGowan was true to his word he would lock down again, but I think he is finding it a bit harder politically when the shoe is on the other foot. What are you waiting for? destroy the virus lock it down premier! Lol...That’s what you were lecturing every other state with last year?
Mismanagement certainly caused what happened in victoria but when you continually bleat how good you are,1 day the tide will turn against you & now it has happened.
He has decided there will be no crowds at the footy today in perth but there are no new cases today.
Is this his way of saying our hotels are high risk but we will divert attention away from that by putting the public focus on a footy match.
I guess he will also try & blame the feds again & not without cause as all the feds do is stand back & play politics whilst telling us what a great job they are doing a la the vaccination program.
It is a common claim on this thread but is does not accord at all with the counter-claim.
WA claims that, on a per capita basis, it has taken MORE than any of the other states.
Either someone is telling porkies or someone thinks that "per capita" is not relevant and only raw numbers matter.
I believe that it is relevant.
I think that ability to accept returnees needs to be proportionate to availability of facilities and that availability of facilities is probably proportionate to population.
Unless someone has evidence to the contrary then I think that is exactly what WA has done + some.
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How many WA is taking is irrelevant. It's the fact that the WA system keeps leaking that matters. He is failing. And judging by the calls on talkback radio after last weekend, the public are waking up.
Listening to a bunch of conservative boomers is hardly the litmus test needed to form any kind of public opinion consensus on WA’s Covid policies.