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Old 17th Apr 2021, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
I think you’ll find we are listening to the experts - Australian experts who didn’t completely mess up the management of this virus. The CDC is all well and good but 1000 people are still dying every day in the US and the total is in excess of 566,000 deaths. They have the highest number of confirmed cases and the highest overall death toll of any country. They are 15th in the world for total deaths per capita, behind a list of developing countries or countries without decent medical infrastructure. Their economy is stuffed and their population has suffered.

Why on earth would we follow their policy?
Between the USA , Israel and the UK they’re are leading the OECD in vaccination rates by a country mile. Stop looking back but look forward. We did a great job in controlling the pandemic, except for the Victorian episode, which could have happened anywhere in Australia. Lots of luck. But the cold hard fact remains that whilst we dither and pat our own backs, tourism, education, aviation and trade will suffer. We are good at saying no but not much else.
This whole saga reminds me of our aviation environment. Over regulated, pedantic,bureaucratic self serving nonsense. Flying in the USA is enjoyable. Arriving back in Australian airspace takes the fun out of it. Being chipped for not reading back verbatim a clearance to hold short of a runway holding point is so typically Australian. God we carry on with so much crap in this country. The land of government and bureaucracy.

“Had we secured more of the leading candidates last year and not insisted on duplicating the approval processes already completed overseas – naively asserting our regulatory superiority over Britain, EU, and US – we could have begun vaccinating by Christmas. But what can we do now?”
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Steven Hamilton is Assistant Professor of Economics at George Washington University and Richard Holden is Professor of Economics at UNSW.
The parallels to aviation are obvious.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 11:45
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Between the USA , Israel and the UK they’re are leading the OECD in vaccination rates by a country mile. Stop looking back but look forward.




“Had we secured more of the leading candidates last year and not insisted on duplicating the approval processes already completed overseas – naively asserting our regulatory superiority over Britain, EU, and US – we could have begun vaccinating by Christmas. But what can we do now?”
Quoted from SMH article
Steven Hamilton is Assistant Professor of Economics at George Washington University and Richard Holden is Professor of Economics at UNSW.
The parallels to aviation are obvious.
Couldn’t agree more. Well said.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 02:08
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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...lion-c-2620816

Can’t see much political will to open the borders anytime soon. And with transmission in NSW HQ today, .......?????
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 02:55
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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...lion-c-2620816

Can’t see much political will to open the borders anytime soon. And with transmission in NSW HQ today, .......?????
No leak into the community...yet...and all HQ workers either fully or partially vaccinated.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 03:52
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 04:45
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...avel/100077086
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 11:15
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I think a lot of people don;t quite understand what a vaccines "efficay" really means.

This should explain it.

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 14:41
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering
I think a lot of people don;t quite understand what a vaccines "efficay" really means.

This should explain it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A
Fantastic explanation.
This screen shot says it all.



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Old 18th Apr 2021, 17:33
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No leak into the community...yet...and all HQ workers either fully or partially vaccinated
So vaccinated HQ workers are allowed to go home without quarantine, yet fully vaccinated crews with vaccines approved by the Australian Government are handed detention notices and locked up? As an Australian I find that utterly shameful.

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 20:27
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Does anyone NOT see the problem of counterfeit vaccination certificates? We cannot open the boarders until that problem is solved.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 20:54
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Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
Does anyone NOT see the problem of counterfeit vaccination certificates? We cannot open the boarders until that problem is solved.

Its already a problem, more specifically doctors certificates that you are covid free have been available within hours of them being needed. While afik no country has issued paper or electronic vacination certificates soon a real copy can be aquired there will absolutely be fakes available to buy
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 21:27
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So vaccinated HQ workers are allowed to go home without quarantine, yet fully vaccinated crews with vaccines approved by the Australian Government are handed detention notices and locked up? As an Australian I find that utterly shameful.

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Agree with the hypocrisy here. I’ve been very critical about HQ workers and other Covid ward workers being able to mix in the community without restrictions while international airline crew are not able to leave home. When an ‘outbreak’ eventually occurs, it’s the airline crew that once again suffer. I’ve written to the media and my local MP about this but it seems as though no one really cares.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 21:28
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Again there is no clarity from him,i am over 50 & will gladly get the jab but i havent seen or heard anything about how i get it.
As usual,he makes statements to make himself look good whilst attending photo shoot opportunities & ignoring what he should be concentrating on.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 21:48
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Originally Posted by blubak
Again there is no clarity from him,i am over 50 & will gladly get the jab but i havent seen or heard anything about how i get it.
As usual,he makes statements to make himself look good whilst attending photo shoot opportunities & ignoring what he should be concentrating on.
Correct on all fronts.
All proclaimed in the same speech where he affirmed that there has been "no change in the program".
Unless he was talking about persons with underlying health problems or essential workers over 50? But who knows what he was on about.

COVID-19 vaccination rollout phasesThe Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) has advised the Australian Government on which groups should be prioritised for the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccination in Australia. This advice is consistent with guidance from the World Health Organization (WHO).

We are currently vaccinated people in Phase 1a and Phase 1b. (Never mind the grammar)
Over 50's (the herd) are in phase 2.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:23
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Always thought best way to look at a problem with multiple facets was to break it down.

Departures is not the problem, couple of million piss off would be OK for Oz BUT with no guarantee or immediate expectation of return date/criteria/requirements as that's the work in progress.
All fares are inflated a tad to assume minimal loads into Oz until things sorted.

The hospitality/tourism sector would need some sort of ongoing support until the widest possible opening of inbounds ie tourists can be allowed.

Added bonus of shutting up the 50% or so who are bitching about not being able to depart.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:33
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Vaccine Efficacy. What it really means.
From the CDC.


A statement that was found from the ABC COVID site which was most interesting.

Why vaccine efficacy and effectiveness are not the same thing.As David Spiegelhalter, the chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge University, and Anthony Masters, a statistical ambassador for the Royal Statistical Society, outlined in The Guardian, a 90 per cent efficacy rate does not mean an individual has a 10 per cent chance of contracting COVID-19.

"Imagine 100 people are ill with COVID-19," the experts explained. "‘Ninety per cent efficacy' means if only they'd had the vaccine, on average only 10 would have got ill.

"Vaccine efficacy is the relative reduction in the risk: whatever your risk was before, it is reduced by 90 per cent if you get vaccinated. There is a lot of confusion about this number: it does not mean there is a 10 per cent chance of getting COVID-19 if vaccinated — that chance will be massively lower than 10 per cent."

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:55
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Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
Does anyone NOT see the problem of counterfeit vaccination certificates? We cannot open the boarders until that problem is solved.
Ha, what I said a few months back.
The day after there’s agreement on a format for a globally acceptable vax passport, you’ll be able to buy one in Shenzhen for a couple of hundred Yuan.
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Old 19th Apr 2021, 00:14
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There's not going to be a meaningful international standard because the WHO oppose having travel being subject to vaccination status!

The UN adopted a list of basic human rights that they have to adhere to. One of these is the “right of free movement” despite the fact that borders and restrictions are not under the purview of the UN, and no one has ever enjoyed this fictional right.

We have passports, visas, UN recognised vaccine certification already, but for this the WHO wants to play idealogical games.
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Old 19th Apr 2021, 23:07
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
There's not going to be a meaningful international standard because the WHO oppose having travel being subject to vaccination status!

The UN adopted a list of basic human rights that they have to adhere to. One of these is the “right of free movement” despite the fact that borders and restrictions are not under the purview of the UN, and no one has ever enjoyed this fictional right.

We have passports, visas, UN recognised vaccine certification already, but for this the WHO wants to play idealogical games.
Lets hope the WHO win their “idealogical game”
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 02:27
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https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...965054af642211

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