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Old 13th Apr 2021, 23:13
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
That is cherry picking at its finest. Most are ramping up for quarantine free travel? Yes, to a handful of places no one wants to travel to anyways. This is at least another 12 - 18 months off until the places people actually want to travel to are all at the same level.

For the UK the places that are soon to be on the green list are Isreal and Gibraltar. Those two sought after summer holiday destinations.

this. There have been plenty of warnings recently. Listen to what the experts are saying. This year is written off. 2022 is questionable, limited travel bubbles, we might be at 50% by the end of 2022. The head of retail at Sydney airport has said they don’t expect normal travel numbers for at least a couple of years. I posted his comment before. Also posted was Chris Richardson from Deloitte ..

For Australia, some form of quarantine will remain for some incoming travellers for some time," Deloitte partner Chris Richardson wrote.
"That keeps international travel (both inbound and outbound) pretty weak in 2022, and it may not return to pre-pandemic levels until 2024."
Much of Mr Richardson's forecasts rely on the speed of Australia's COVID-19 vaccination rollout, which he predicts to overtake that of the virus mutating.
"Central to the speed of that grind will be the ongoing tug-of-war between mutations and vaccinations," he wrote.
"But we continue to see vaccinations as the more likely winner of that struggle.
"So although some pain will linger – particularly as the mutations mean international borders will remain less-than-fully open for longer – most of Australia's economy looks on course to be close to pre-pandemic normal by Christmas 2021."
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 23:38
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
Deloitte
I asked an umbrella salesman for a weather forecast. He said it was going to rain.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 02:47
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...96ab9e6c2a615a

Don’t hold your breath !!
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 03:57
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I asked an umbrella salesman for a weather forecast. He said it was going to rain.
well maybe you can provide a better source then. . And I think Richardson’s credentials are somewhat better than yours on this kind of matter....as is the head of retail at Sydney airport. After all they would be trying to be positive and be optimistic in their forecasts if anything. They have nothing to gain by painting a overly pessimistic picture of the future of international aviation.

Meanwhile the federal health minister says this, as per the link posted in the post above. Got a smart arse response to that.

Australia may not open up its borders even after everyone in the country has been vaccinated against coronavirus in an attempt to sustain its 'Zero Covid' strategy, the country's health minister has revealed.

'Vaccination alone is no guarantee that you can open up,' Greg Hunt said on Tuesday. 'If the whole country were vaccinated, you couldn't just open the borders.'

The health minister cited a range of other relevant factors, including transmissibility and the longevity of vaccine protection.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:07
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It’s clear we need to cycle the Vaccine 1.0 this year and lower the cases.

Next year Vaccine 2.0 and continue to push the herd immunity card. Many countries will get there and the trialing of opening up countries to each other will commence.

2023 onwards we can start pulling the walls down across the world.

December 2023 the majority of the world can open up. The hard work has been done.

It will die off throughout the years of 2024/25. Those poverty stricken countries will finally catch up.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:42
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I really wouldn’t want to tell Aussies how to run their country, but this is total insanity isn’t it?
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:46
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I really wouldn’t want to tell Aussies how to run their country, but this is total insanity isn’t it?
I would actually call over 100000 dead in the UK total insanity.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:47
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I really wouldn’t want to tell Aussies how to run their country, but this is total insanity isn’t it?
speaking of insanity, this whole thing has been insane ..Nearly a quarter of registered Covid-19 deaths are now people who are not being killed by the virus, new official figures show as Boris Johnson comes under renewed pressure from Tory backbenchers to end the third lockdown sooner than planned.

The latest data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) reveals that 23 per cent of coronavirus deaths which are registered are now people who have died 'with' the disease rather than 'from' an infection.

This means that the person who has died will have tested positive for Covid-19 at some point, but that the disease was not recorded as the victim's primary cause of death on their death certificate.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:49
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I think the UKs open border let it rip policy was total insanity. Even now the UK Gov is not committing to when it will allow overseas travel.

Australia's & NZs closed border has been politically and economically hugely successful in comparison to just about anywhere else.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:55
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I would actually call over 100000 dead in the UK total insanity.
This always seems to be the comeback. A tragedy yes, but only 1 in 5 deaths last year were caused by Covid - not that this is of any solace. We are now below our average death rate. Some people would’ve died last year anyway, not that I’m attempting to justify these numbers of course.

But this policy that Australia is following is reliant on the likes of Bolsonaro actually taking Covid seriously, otherwise Brazil will just become a hotbed for variants. Africa will probably never become fully vaccinated. India will probably only vaccinated a quarter of their huge population this year. China and their vaccine diplomacy seems to have totally tanked. Russia and it’s questionable vaccine supplies.

If Australia goes down this road, they will never reopen - and news flash, there won’t be the need for any long haul pilots anymore. This smacks of scare tactics - the same messages of vaccinations not the only answer coming out of other countries in the last 1-2 days too.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 05:05
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Meanwhile the federal health minister says this, as per the link posted in the post above. Got a smart arse response to that.
Yes, back in post #4344... keep up old boy.

As for Deloitte, I think they have a vested interest in a pessimistic outlook, given that they also provide consultancy services on how to manage COVID-19.

“We had a focus group with Deloitte, they recommended more focus groups...

That being said, I can’t recall the federal govt using the term ‘Zero Covid Strategy’ before this announcement. It appears as if the election campaign has begun.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 05:10
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
I think the UKs open border let it rip policy was total insanity. Even now the UK Gov is not committing to when it will allow overseas travel.

Australia's & NZs closed border has been politically and economically hugely successful in comparison to just about anywhere else.
To a point you are correct, but it was also Hobson’s choice. In early March 2020, probably around 4-5 million UK citizens were overseas working or living outside the country (including myself working). Testing was also poor in every country outside China and no one had much of an idea what they were dealing with.

The UK is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe and has one of the most densely populated aviation systems in the world in London. Closing the border to all and sundry would not have prevented the virus coming in, just slowed it down by 24 hours (those words a direct quote from our CMO).

If they had just slammed the door shut, what would’ve happened? Where would these people have gone (ah, do what Australia did).
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 08:40
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And the Australian people are putting up with this?
We have put up with a lot,particularly here in victoria so in reality i dont think its a great problem for the majority of aussies if they cant leave the country for a year or 2.
What is far more important in my opinion is that we can lead a pretty normal life,get the economy going again & do most things that we enjoy.
Being able to travel overseas for 2 or 3 weeks a year does not compensate in any way for being lockrd down for days,weeks or months.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 09:22
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
We have put up with a lot,particularly here in victoria so in reality i dont think its a great problem for the majority of aussies if they cant leave the country for a year or 2.
What is far more important in my opinion is that we can lead a pretty normal life,get the economy going again & do most things that we enjoy.
Being able to travel overseas for 2 or 3 weeks a year does not compensate in any way for being lockrd down for days,weeks or months.
I take it you’re not an international airline pilot then? Perhaps if your livelihood had been stripped you’d think differently?
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 11:41
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
We have put up with a lot,particularly here in victoria so in reality i dont think its a great problem for the majority of aussies if they cant leave the country for a year or 2.
What Victorians went through is terrible. It should never have happened. However your fear of future lockdowns should not create an imposition on the rest of us who want to be able to travel without unreasonable restrictions. It is not right to keep people locked up in their own country when they’ve taken reasonable precautions and wish to travel.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 11:59
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What are these reasonable precautions you are going to take that guarantees you won’t bring the virus back in the next say 6-12 months?
Has there been some announcement that the vaccine will prevent transmission and knowledge of how long it is effective for?
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:23
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Has there been some announcement that the vaccine will prevent transmission and knowledge of how long it is effective for?
Yes. Preliminary data indicates the vaccines do prevent transmission as well as negating the effects of the disease. How long it’s effective for is yet to be determined, however the vaccines seem to be doing better than expected.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:30
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Reality is the Liberal Party have nothing to lose federally by just using McGowans playbook with the International borders. If they were to open up and the virus gets into a Labor state they will just lock everyone up and blame the Federal Government. So they really have nothing to lose unless there is consensus from all the State governments on how to deal with international travellers importing the virus.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
What Victorians went through is terrible. It should never have happened. However your fear of future lockdowns should not create an imposition on the rest of us who want to be able to travel without unreasonable restrictions. It is not right to keep people locked up in their own country when they’ve taken reasonable precautions and wish to travel.
What Victorians went through was an example of what happens when you let the virus into the wild. It only takes one or two unchecked to let it rip. About 800 people died.

Now you call for relaxation of international border restrictions.

I’m very interested in these reasonable precautions you speak of, and how exactly you intend to determine who amongst us will or won’t take these reasonable precautions.

The whole Sydney Northern Beaches outbreak was allegedly caused by certain “exempt” folks who were expected, or “trusted” to take reasonable precautions. And didn’t.

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Old 14th Apr 2021, 13:21
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consensus from all the State governments
Another coffee spilling moment.
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