All borders to reopen.

[Angle of Attack]

Public uproar? I’ll tell you a little secret buddy, every single outbreak since a year ago has been linked to ****ty hotel quarantine. The only interstate infection was to NSW while VIC was having hundreds of cases per day.
Let that sink in for a while, while you are dreaming, unrestricted domestic travel will get destroyed just when it seems it’s all ok, I’ll give it another 2 years until they sort it. 2 more cases in managed isolation in Auckland? You have to be ****ting me, this is ridiculous.

[Angle of Attack]

Again I will repeat the only interstate infection has been from VIC to NSW when they had hundreds of cases per day, yeah there was a couple of chicks that travelled to QLD but only caused a few cases. Oh I just realised you live in WA, forget all I said, just live in your isolation, that’s much better!

[Angle of Attack]

The risk is so tiny that the wings will detach from the aircraft when we fly them so let’s negate that risk? You sand gropers are so fing stupid you don’t even realise it

[Angle of Attack]

If you think domestic borders are now in a nirvana good on you, they will be slammed shut multiple times for the rest of this year. Until people actually rise up and tell these idiots nothing will change.

[jrfsp]

Why don’t you pop a couple of valium and get yourself off to bed, must be late over there —wouldn’t want you bursting a blood vessel over that keyboard

[McLimit]

AoA, valium has popped up as a tool quite a few times on this thread, maybe it's a western stater thing? Maybe that's what they're on?

Hasn't seemed to have calmed their state of paranoia though?

[Chronic Snoozer]

Originally Posted by Angle of Attack

If you think domestic borders are now in a nirvana good on you, they will be slammed shut multiple times for the rest of this year. Until people actually rise up and tell these idiots nothing will change.

They’re just following the health advice of the CMOs.

[SHVC]

Queen P in the North is requesting an urgent national cabinet meeting because a Dr broke the rules now the roll out is being hampered. The way she is carrying on it is further killing public confidence when the Federal Gov is at no fault here.
every medical practitioner is aware that the course must be completed to administer the vaccine.

[Australopithecus]

An article in The Atlantic discusses the American perspective on when the pandemic can be declared over. There are a few similarities but of course there is a wide gulf between them and how the states and people here view risks and responsibilities.

The article mentions that once covid deaths approximate the annual flu toll might be an appropriate milestone to re-open society and borders. That seems to be a measured view, given that Covid-19 will be with us forever.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...c-over/618122/

[Australopithecus]

Originally Posted by SHVC

Queen P in the North is requesting an urgent national cabinet meeting because a Dr broke the rules now the roll out is being hampered. The way she is carrying on it is further killing public confidence when the Federal Gov is at no fault here.
every medical practitioner is aware that the course must be completed to administer the vaccine.

Have you ever heard of a health care protocol that allows injections without two party patient ID and dose confirmation? That doctor bypassed the mandatory training too, all of which points to a larger individual problem as opposed to something systemic.

[SHVC]

My wife is a Dr, she has not done the course and is well aware she can not administer the vaccine. This Dr should of know also. this Dr was employed by the very health agency providing the course.

[Foxxster]

Oh dear, I wonder if Mr Joyce has seen this.

Summer holidays hang in the balance after the World Health Organisation urged against using vaccine passports to facilitate international travel.

It said proof of a jab should not be required because there remain 'critical unknowns regarding the efficacy of vaccination in reducing transmission'.

The WHO added that inoculated passengers should not be able to sidestep existing travel restrictions designed to reduce Covid.
Setting out the WHO stance, the interim position paper states: 'At the present time, it is WHO's position that national authorities and conveyance operators should not introduce requirements of proof of COVID-19 vaccination for international travel as a condition for departure or entry.'It is a fresh blow for both holidaymakers and tourism bosses hoping vaccine passports will pave the way for overseas trips.

That people should be mandated to have a vaccine to enjoy greater freedom is a politically divisive issue being fought out in national capitals.

The WHO's paper also says: 'National authorities should choose public health interventions that least infringe on individual freedom of movement.'

[Australopithecus]

I don’t quite understand the WHO: they were about six weeks late declaring the pandemic. They have engaged in appeasement with China regarding origins and reporting. Now they are engaged in hand-wringing over some “right” that is certainly not a given, nor does it acknowledge any nation's absolute right to decide conditions of entry.

There is no way that this policy is going to fly.

[Foxxster]

Originally Posted by Australopithecus

I don’t quite understand the WHO: they were about six weeks late declaring the pandemic. They have engaged in appeasement with China regarding origins and reporting. Now they are engaged in hand-wringing over some “right” that is certainly not a given, nor does it acknowledge any nation's absolute right to decide conditions of entry.

There is no way that this policy is going to fly.

oh to call them grossly incompetent is being far to kind. They are the WuHan Health Organisation, the head bought and paid for by China.

yes, see attached as per their press releases. They, like many / most UN organisations are not fit for purpose.

[SOPS]

When this all started, I started a thread ‘ Is the WHO fit for purpose?’. I don’t think it is. It’s been led by China from the start.

[WingNut60]

Originally Posted by SHVC

Queen P in the North is requesting an urgent national cabinet meeting because a Dr broke the rules now the roll out is being hampered. The way she is carrying on it is further killing public confidence when the Federal Gov is at no fault here.
every medical practitioner is aware that the course must be completed to administer the vaccine.

Not quite correct, apparently. The vaccination program in aged care facilities including the necessary training is a federal government-managed initiative.

“Vaccination for residents and staff will be made available through residential aged care facilities where they live or work, and it will be administered through an in-reach workforce provider,” Minister Hunt said.
“Healthcare Australia will be providing the vaccination workforce in New South Wales and Queensland, and Aspen Medical will be responsible for the other states and territories.

[Angle of Attack]

Never heard of Valium, well I’ve heard of it but never taken it. Pfizer, AstraZeneca and presumably Moderna Vaccines have shown 100% efficacy in preventing serious disease and hospitalisation with COVID19. Now with a vaccinated population that pretty much makes Covid19 less dangerous than the common flu. In a good year high hundreds die in a bad year high thousands die from flu in Aus, Is McClown still going to close the borders if there is an outbreak of COVID? I think this is the question going into the future, politicians have made out this COVID is like AIDS times 10 when it isn’t. Shut the borders for Flu? Because the Flu was pretty much non existent last year it will come back with vengeance this year or next.

[McLimit]

He will close it for 1 case the arseclown.

[SHVC]

Originally Posted by WingNut60

Not quite correct, apparently. The vaccination program in aged care facilities including the necessary training is a federal government-managed initiative.

I meant the fed gov is not responsible for rogue Drs. This Dr would of know they were not qualified.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Angle of Attack

Never heard of Valium, well I’ve heard of it but never taken it. Pfizer, AstraZeneca and presumably Moderna Vaccines have shown 100% efficacy in preventing serious disease and hospitalisation with COVID19. Now with a vaccinated population that pretty much makes Covid19 less dangerous than the common flu. In a good year high hundreds die in a bad year high thousands die from flu in Aus, Is McClown still going to close the borders if there is an outbreak of COVID? I think this is the question going into the future, politicians have made out this COVID is like AIDS times 10 when it isn’t. Shut the borders for Flu? Because the Flu was pretty much non existent last year it will come back with vengeance this year or next.

Well you’ve mostly answered your own question. There is a difference between a virus spreading unchecked through a naive population vs an immunised one. That’s what the health advice is based on. Just need the required number of vaccinations first.

So if Premiers are just going to keep borders closed forever then why are they all signing up to the National Vaccine strategy? Bit of a costly exercise if nothing will change huh?

There is a difference now between Covid and influenza, given there is a vaccine to the flu and a level of immunity in the population. The whole point of the vaccine program is to make Covid like the flu. Because there was a larger uptake of the flu vax last year (from about 20 to 70%) this caused the flu season to be substantially less (along with hand sanitising, awareness of illness and more isolation).

You won’t get any information right now from any government about a change to border policy because they have more pressing issues to deal with, although they’re now starting to be discussed at a higher level at national cabinet.

The WA Health Minister was asked about a change to border and quarantine policy on local radio recently and said the vaccinations will change the requirements around quarantine at some point in the future, but that will come after sorting out distribution and supply of the vaccine, and encouraging people to take it.