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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 02:23
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When will QLD make a decision are they wanting 28 days still?! SA earliest opening to Sydney is February 2nd for 14 days.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 03:21
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Looks about Monday 15th for Sydney/Queensland to open, IF things stay at zero.

So if Sydney pickup another case this coming week its basically game over until March 1.

Rex looking doubtful. Dan will follow his colleague up north. The question is how long will it last also once the gates are open. 30 days seems a good figure to put cash on.

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations Iíve picked up.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:20
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Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:35
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
The higher classification came from the outbreak being of the B117 mutation which has a higher risk of transmissibility, which is why all states applied restrictions on Queensland straight away. Normal protocols and classifications had to be altered to take into account the higher risk of exponential growth outpacing contact tracing ability, itís a testament to the hotel worker who was infected that they limited their contact whilst working in a high risk job.

If you do a little bit of looking youíll see thereís hard science behind these decisions, it isnít all a conspiracy.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:56
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations Iíve picked up.
Thats interesting, conversations Iíve had with travelers and what I have seen indicates the opposite. Ppl just want to be able to move around see their family, holiday and do business. It will come back just like November. But, mostly likely closing again in April because of one case.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 05:46
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
Also worth pointing out it was QLD that asked for all states to declare BNE as a hotspot... which then triggered the border restrictions.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 08:54
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
The higher classification came from the outbreak being of the B117 mutation which has a higher risk of transmissibility, which is why all states applied restrictions on Queensland straight away. Normal protocols and classifications had to be altered to take into account the higher risk of exponential growth outpacing contact tracing ability, itís a testament to the hotel worker who was infected that they limited their contact whilst working in a high risk job.

If you do a little bit of looking youíll see thereís hard science behind these decisions, it isnít all a conspiracy.
They have had about 14 days to amend the website! not very hard.

Very little science - distance and population density are a key factor - and truth is there was no real community transmittions of that strain even though the ground zero case used public transport. The only community case was her partner.

Got some science for that 70% more contagious variant or just luck?

Actual fact in Australia by science is it is less transmittable here, or am I missing the science on that?

Up to 5 days infectious in the community and all.

The numbers and rates of this virus are weird across the World but the stats within countries are pretty consistent after around 6 months after the first cases/second waves. They can be both good and bad and many countries (I have visited or lived) are pretty honest on such things. But the stats are way off what I expected.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post

Very little science - distance and population density are a key factor - and truth is there was no real community transmittions of that strain even though the ground zero case used public transport. The only community case was her partner.
Could have used a mask, could have been in an empty part of the train, could have coughed/sneezed into the elbow, could have not been shedding at that time.....

Got some science for that 70% more contagious variant or just luck?
Lineage-specific growth of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 during the English national lockdown

Covid-19: New variant raises R number by up to 0.7

Actual fact in Australia by science is it is less transmittable here, or am I missing the science on that?
Single clusters are rarely good to form conclusions from. We know that if strain B1.1.7 gets into the community it does spread more than previous dominant strains. This is seen in nations which have had large outbreak of it.

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 11:56
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Could have used a mask, could have been in an empty part of the train, could have coughed/sneezed into the elbow, could have not been shedding at that time.....



Lineage-specific growth of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 during the English national lockdown

Covid-19: New variant raises R number by up to 0.7



Single clusters are rarely good to form conclusions from. We know that if strain B1.1.7 gets into the community it does spread more than previous dominant strains. This is seen in nations which have had large outbreak of it.

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
Try Botswana almost same number of cases as Australia - far fewer deaths and 1 10th the population.

New mutation to date is nothing outside both UK and South Africa (note Botswana is next door to south African strain).

If you think both the South African and UK variants are not in Botswana - I quote the Castle.

All the links and stuff still mean nothing look at Sweden originally the great model - then not. then we are still not sure (but certainly not a great model) they may end up not too bad.

What does seem to work (in affected state) is a hard fast large lock down - in Australia. That has worked in a number of states with the outbreaks. TAS, QLD and SA spring to mind.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 12:01
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...ay-22-january/

200 odd in ICU, actually looks like itís under control. As is Sweden
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 13:13
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200 odd in ICU, actually looks like itís under control.
Totally under control, thatís barely anyone in the ICU, Iím sure thereís heaps more space left.......

ĎUrgent need of volunteersí ó Irish hospitals on the brink with just 26 ICU beds left in entire country

As is Sweden
Theyíre totally under control as well man, totally......

Covid-19 forces Swedish hospitals to delay 'necessary surgery' - Every one of the country's 21 regional healthcare authorities reported being in a "strained" or "very strained" situation, with the regions of JŲnkŲping and Uppsala telling SR that they were having to postpone urgent operations on cancer or heart patients

But hey, just the flu right......
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 13:25
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200 out of 4 million people, what a disaster, median age of death 82

your link for Sweden is 2 weeks old, check the daily infection and death rates for the last few days.

you mention Sweden a lot yet you probably donít know anyone living there or ever lived there yourself.

The only impact to normal people lives is the local
swimming pool and ice rink is closed. Kids still attending primary school. Grand parents not forbidden to visit their loved ones. And life goes on without the political bull crap Australia dishes out on a daily basis.

the fact is people get sick from a range of things, unfortunately some of these people die at an earlier age than is desirable. Canít ever change that. You sprout a lot of garbage of health systems coming close to collapse. Where is the evidence of it actually happening. More people died in December 1993 in Sweden than April 2020. Also, there is basically zero flu now so look at excess mortality before preaching doomsday predictions.

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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 15:18
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You sprout a lot of garbage of health systems coming close to collapse. Where is the evidence of it actually happening.
California. Paramedics told not to transport patients to hospital who have a grim outlook, and Iím not just talking about Covid patients. Paramedics told to limit the use of oxygen, due to low supply.

I canít be arsed finding links to the stories that proves it, but theyíd be very easy to find.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 18:09
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California. Paramedics told not to transport patients to hospital who have a grim outlook, and Iím not just talking about Covid patients. Paramedics told to limit the use of oxygen, due to low supply.

I canít be arsed finding links to the stories that proves it, but theyíd be very easy to find.
Seems to be a bit of a scaremongering by the news networks. This from NPR,

Well, actually, it is best practice to resuscitate patients in cardiac arrest in the field where they are found. That is our normal protocol in LA County. So the shift towards not transporting patients who do not have restoration of pulse is a relatively small change. These patients have very limited chance of survival. And so these are the patients that we're asking the paramedics to call in to our base hospitals, discuss with the base physician and determine if further resuscitation is futile and therefore terminate resuscitation on scene. We are continuing to resuscitate patients in cardiac arrest, and we continue to transport all patients in whom our paramedics are able to resuscitate in the field
Another gem from the same article,

And I say that because I see how people are still congregating in groups and making decisions to have family gatherings or New Year's parties. And these decisions are what continues to impact our health care system.

So the LA ambulance system is being overwhelmed by people who probably seem not to take advice seriously.




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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 19:49
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Could have used a mask, could have been in an empty part of the train, could have coughed/sneezed into the elbow, could have not been shedding at that time.....



Lineage-specific growth of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 during the English national lockdown

Covid-19: New variant raises R number by up to 0.7



Single clusters are rarely good to form conclusions from. We know that if strain B1.1.7 gets into the community it does spread more than previous dominant strains. This is seen in nations which have had large outbreak of it.

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
Numbers in ireland are down from 8000 a day to around 2000 with generally 60+ deaths per day.
Their govt are saying no relief from restrictions till at least end of feb however it seems you can still go for an overseas holiday with the govt response being,you shouldnt go!
Puzzles me somewhat when you read that & also only a requirement to have a test within 72hrs of returning.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 20:44
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Originally Posted by Joker89 View Post
The only impact to normal people lives is the local swimming pool and ice rink is closed. Kids still attending primary school. Grand parents not forbidden to visit their loved ones. And life goes on without the political bull crap Australia dishes out on a daily basis.
Thereís a ban there on gatherings above 8, 10 sqm per person in public areas, ban on non essential entry from outside EU, total ban on UK and Denmark, non essential public buildings closed til Feb. Mask recommendations issued for the first time in December. Plus a lot of nursing homes have chosen to close to visitors so grand parents visits are limited. And High schools switched to remote learning. Life certainly isnít back to normal there.

Where is the evidence of it actually happening.
You donít think ďnecessary and urgentĒ heart and cancer surgery being delayed is a problem?

More people died in December 1993 in Sweden than April 2020. Also, there is basically zero flu now so look at excess mortality before preaching doomsday predictions.
They had their deadliest November since 1918. Excess mortality was clearly above average in 2020, as was the same in every European country.

Swedenís strategy has given them a death rate 10 times higher than their Nordic brethren in Norway and Finland and 3 times higher than Denmark.

But the most telling thing is that even the King of Sweden admitted their strategy has been a failure. Their Prime Minister has admitted it was a failure. Even their Chief Epidemiologist back-pedalled. You canít try to rehabilitate what theyíve done now if they themselves have admitted it was a mistake.

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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 20:50
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Numbers in ireland are down from 8000 a day to around 2000 with generally 60+ deaths per day.
Thatís because the nation was been in a lockdown since the end of last month. Tough measures are working, but the pandemic is still a serious issue if you fail to do anything.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 20:52
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The main thing is Australia can almost open up domestically again, I’m busting for a holiday.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 21:47
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The main thing is Australia can almost open up domestically again, I’m busting for a holiday.
It's a bit hot in Broome at this time of year but our south coast regions are always good ................if you can get a booking!
Good luck with that.
Plus, of course, we don't know which "Denmark" you are supposed to be in.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 22:29
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The main thing is Australia can almost open up domestically again, Iím busting for a holiday.
Why would anyone risk booking anything interstate? Someone only has to sneeze in Cobar and McGowan is likely to reinstate the hard border. I'm flabbergasted Anna-Stayaway "only" implemented a hotspot-based approach with the Avalon & Berala outbreaks. I mean, who would have thought someone at Dubbo would have less risk of bringing the Pestilence to Queensland than someone from Drummoyne? Everyone knows WA is the leader here, and the NT, Victoria, SA, Queensland and even Tasmania are all wrong with their health advice.

Nope, if I want a holiday, it'll be somewhere relatively local.
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