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Old 21st Jan 2021, 06:17
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What’s the plan when Canberra turns the tap off in 8 weeks? If Jetstar want to stand down it’s Sydney or Melbourne base again in April, May, June, the consequences are quite dire for all these workers.

If Canberra want to cut the government assistance to zero, fair enough, it’s had its run, however push all foreign arrivals to inland to prevent any spread around the states, to keep the domestic tourism alive.

The focus for the next half needs to be on keeping domestic tourism and travel alive. Less talk about international let’s try and protect and look after our own backyard for the next year.

I am seeing a lot of talk around International bubbles and so forth, we seem to have enough trouble keeping our states open let alone abroad.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 06:44
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Let's just forget that the vast majority on NZers do NOT want an open border for some considerable time. I, for one, would be happier if we had no arrivals whatsoever.
How often is any sort of migration a vote winner? Many people would choose to keep borders closed forever and ever.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 07:39
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
What’s the plan when Canberra turns the tap off in 8 weeks? If Jetstar want to stand down it’s Sydney or Melbourne base again in April, May, June, the consequences are quite dire for all these workers.
Well if it’s dire to domestic ML and SY based pilots, just imagine what it is like for a QF380 skip about to go less than JK. Is there a word worse than dire for international pilots?!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 08:50
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On suppression vs elimination.

It has pretty much taken an elimination approach to achieve suppression.

Hard to control, but not impossible.

Certainly harder than anticipated a year ago, when it was thought a two week shutdown would beat it.

Pity it didn't.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:01
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This thread needs to be renamed “all borders to remain closed”
Nah, with all these State Clowns controlling borders, it really just depends on what time you’re looking at the thread!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:14
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No disrespect to WA but quoting export volumes vs import volumes etc etc, doesn’t cut it. WA produces 15% of the National GDP. The point is in the developed states there is much more to the economy than digging crap out of the ground.WA would be invaded by Australia within weeks of secession basically to stop them getting invaded by anyone else. Don’t get me wrong I lived in WA in a past life and I know how you feel, but your wrong, your basically a mine with nothing else and you need to live elsewhere to realise it. I know it makes you feel good to believe your better, but unfortunately your not, the vast swathe of services come from the Commonwealth, not your state. I’m not saying any Eastern state is better either, I’m one of these rare types that is actually Australian, the whole point that we have become wealthy is unity, not stupid Trumpism division.

But if you really want to break it off go ahead, it would actually be comical watching that debacle!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
No disrespect to WA but quoting export volumes vs import volumes etc etc, doesn’t cut it. WA produces 15% of the National GDP. The point is in the developed states there is much more to the economy than digging crap out of the ground.WA would be invaded by Australia within weeks of secession basically to stop them getting invaded by anyone else. Don’t get me wrong I lived in WA in a past life and I know how you feel, but your wrong, your basically a mine with nothing else and you need to live elsewhere to realise it. I know it makes you feel good to believe your better, but unfortunately your not, the vast swathe of services come from the Commonwealth, not your state. I’m not saying any Eastern state is better either, I’m one of these rare types that is actually Australian, the whole point that we have become wealthy is unity, not stupid Trumpism division.

But if you really want to break it off go ahead, it would actually be comical watching that debacle!
In the developed states, do they teach the difference between your and you’re?
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 12:42
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The effect of the vaccine on reducing serious illness, death and the strain on the health system in Israel, which is the real purpose of the vaccine, should start to be seen by the end of the week according to the article. If the trial results are replicated in real life then it should have a significant effect.
The vaccine is only 'reducing serious illness, death and strain on the health system?'

The vaccine doesn't eliminate the virus?

So, the State/s in Australia that have stated their policy is virus elimination or haven't stated that is their policy but it really is, WILL NEVER, EVER open their borders??

If that is the case, if I were NSW (for they appear to be the only State in Australia behaving rationally), at commencement of immunisation I would immediately close borders to all Australian States that are persuing the 'eliminate' policy. I would then commence negotiations with every vaccinated country and territory in the rest of the world for a resumption of travel and all that goes along with it. Trade, Tourism, Business, Family Reunion, Sporting Events, Conventions..............LIFE................
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
No disrespect to WA but quoting export volumes vs import volumes etc etc, doesn’t cut it. WA produces 15% of the National GDP. The point is in the developed states there is much more to the economy than digging crap out of the ground.WA would be invaded by Australia within weeks of secession basically to stop them getting invaded by anyone else. Don’t get me wrong I lived in WA in a past life and I know how you feel, but your wrong, your basically a mine with nothing else and you need to live elsewhere to realise it. I know it makes you feel good to believe your better, but unfortunately your not, the vast swathe of services come from the Commonwealth, not your state. I’m not saying any Eastern state is better either, I’m one of these rare types that is actually Australian, the whole point that we have become wealthy is unity, not stupid Trumpism division.

But if you really want to break it off go ahead, it would actually be comical watching that debacle!
15% of GDP from 10% of the population.
Hardly enough that. Poor effort indeed.



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Old 21st Jan 2021, 13:20
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Thanks Potsie,

You have basically emulated the whole WA thing in one post, a simple grammatical error becomes a big deal over there, don’t worry I get it, I know how it is. I’m not a hater against WA, at all FFS I lived there for quite a few years, but I felt the sense of us and them when I lived there 20 years ago.
But lets be honest, WA would be pilfered within weeks if any secession occurred, Get over it you REQUIRE Australia to survive, that’s the simple of it, also the other states provide 85% of GDP would tend to indicate you don’t have a real economy apart from digging **** out of the ground. Over here we actually make money by commerce, a foreign subject over there, in fact NSW commerce contributes more GDP than the entire WA. I know WA does have commerce, but last financial year it was about 0.2% of GDP. You suckers are stuck to the real engine of the economy while making these insane assertions that your saving the country...Oh yeah sounds like McGowen...
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 13:28
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Wing nut,
now your going on GDP per Capita? Give me a break, that has nothing to do with it
What has something to do with it is WA is 15% of the entire economy, basically a mid tiered minnow,
We lead and McGowan cowers, basically he’s an idiot let’s be frank. You people think WA’s economy is
so important and I get that, when you live in an isolated place you actually believe that and it’s not your fault.

live the dream!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 20:37
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And you just can't see that it's exactly that patronising BS that infuses every West Australian with a burning desire to go it alone.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 20:56
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
And you just can't see that it's exactly that patronising BS that infuses every West Australian with a burning desire to go it alone.
C’mon wingnut60, you know the amount of West Aussies with a “burning” desire to “go it alone” is minuscule. I know 28% wanted secession on an opinion poll, but there’s a big difference between saying “ummmm yeah secession doesn’t sound that bad” when asked by an opinion pollster and actual tangible steps to make it so.

There’s no protests happening, no politicians want it, the WAxit party is a micro party of Palmer failures who’ll have no political sway at the next election and the real people who run the state (BHP, Rio) don’t want it.

It serves no useful purpose on this thread to pretend there’s a groundswell of grassroots movement for secession.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:10
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Shame the spot price of iron ore is so high. Can only wonder what would have happened to McGoose's state budget and the influence on his hard border if it hadn't contributed to such a big surplus.

But, as the saying goes...What goes up, must come down!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:52
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C’mon wingnut60, you know the amount of West Aussies with a “burning” desire to “go it alone” is minuscule. I know 28% wanted secession on an opinion poll, but there’s a big difference between saying “ummmm yeah secession doesn’t sound that bad” when asked by an opinion pollster and actual tangible steps to make it so.

There’s no protests happening, no politicians want it, the WAxit party is a micro party of Palmer failures who’ll have no political sway at the next election and the real people who run the state (BHP, Rio) don’t want it.

It serves no useful purpose on this thread to pretend there’s a groundswell of grassroots movement for secession.
Yes. That does not represent reality.
What I should have said was that it drives a burning resentment at being forced to listen to that patronising BS at every turn.

Yes, WA is lucky to be able to capitalise on our mineral wealth and agriculture.
Both are subject to cyclic highs and lows. NSW and Victorian exports are too.
While smuggly denigrating WA do they ever consider the probable impact on their sacred financial services division if they were to lose 46% of their revenue.
Or that the services division might just follow the money.
Plenty of banks in the world.

And any conjecture at a Chinese invasion that focuses only on WA is pure wet dream
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:53
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I think people are largely missing the point regarding borders and the like.

More to do with ability (or lack thereof) to deal with a major outbreak, than parochialism, politics, space aliens or whatever.

ICU capacity is a good indicator of that ability.

NZ went tougher, ICU places per capita substantially less than Australia.

Western Samoa, less again. A full on sitting of parliament decides entry on an individual case by case basis there.

But keep up the state hate sledging.

Makes you look smarter.

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Old 21st Jan 2021, 22:20
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Originally Posted by dr dre
C’mon wingnut60, you know the amount of West Aussies with a “burning” desire to “go it alone” is minuscule. I know 28% wanted secession on an opinion poll, but there’s a big difference between saying “ummmm yeah secession doesn’t sound that bad” when asked by an opinion pollster and actual tangible steps to make it so.

There’s no protests happening, no politicians want it, the WAxit party is a micro party of Palmer failures who’ll have no political sway at the next election and the real people who run the state (BHP, Rio) don’t want it.

It serves no useful purpose on this thread to pretend there’s a groundswell of grassroots movement for secession.
The irony of your commentary is that it isn't up to WA to secede, the rest of Australia would have to agree to it via a referendum would they not? I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.

And any conjecture at a Chinese invasion that focuses only on WA is pure wet dream
No, they are way more subtle than that.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:12
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I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.
The question could have been: “Do you think people from ‘The East’ are really lizard people in disguise?” and the results would have been similar.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:57
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The question could have been: “Do you think people from ‘The East’ are really lizard people in disguise?” and the results would have been similar.
I think that is in the school curriculum.
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