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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:11
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EK are terminating flights to SY, ML and BN indefinitely in January. EK will still fly twice a week to PH
  • Dubai-Brisbane (EK430), January 16
  • Brisbane-Dubai (EK431), January 17
  • Dubai-Sydney (EK414), January 18
  • Sydney-Dubai (EK415), January 19
  • Dubai-Melbourne (EK408), January 19
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:34
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
No increase in suicide rate so far. Probably attributable to jobkeeper.


No real change in Medicare and PBS payouts from 19 to 20, after a short decrease in March/April, suggesting the same amount of medical services were being accessed in 2020 as 2019.


USA and Europe took a bigger financial hit, due to the pandemic currently raging through those places. All in all Australia's lock it out policy has done the best job.


A CFR of 2% (disregarding health system pressures, and long term complications) is actually really bad.


Australia has a higher obesity rate than Belgium, France, Italy, Spain and a higher or comparable smoking rate than the UK, Sweden, Chile, Ireland which have all been hammered by the pandemic. Which suggests similar infection and death rates would present here if we "just learnt to live with it".
You cherry pick what suits you in your response. Firstly, quoting Government published statistics is akin to believing we have reptilians living amongst us. Anyone believing the Government has already been fooled.

Secondly, our financial hit has been huge. Maybe big corporations and large companies are weathering things, just, but try telling your theory of “it’s not too bad here” to the tens of thousands of businesses that have gone to the wall. The real impact of COVID is yet to be seen. We are still in the early days of this maelstrom. The full impact is on its way.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 20:44
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We are still in the early days of this maelstrom. The full impact is on its way.
I agree with Para377. The Great Depression ‘began’ in 1929 but it took four years before it bottomed in some countries, with many still flat at the start of WW2. Demand went off a cliff. Ever wonder why your grandparents or great grandparents never threw anything out and we’re constantly coming up with ways to repair the unrepairable? Back in the day they weren’t going to the pub to pay Rockpool prices or having a plumber come in to change washers. They were busy tightening their belts and making do.

It’s going to be unpalatable to many but eventually we will be best served by coming to terms with being the quarry and paddock for 1.7 billion eager customers. Put it to the voters.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 22:15
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Paragraph377-One thing you forgot was the requirement for 1000’s more solicitors.
There will be mass class actions and law suit‘s before this is all over.
hopefully against McGowan, palachook and Andrews personally.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 00:36
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
You cherry pick what suits you in your response. Firstly, quoting Government published statistics is akin to believing we have reptilians living amongst us. Anyone believing the Government has already been fooled.
So where’s the “real” info then mate? I’ve tried to back up my statements with official sources and hard data but all you do is decry “that’s BS” and then offer nothing of your own?

Reminds me of this:




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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:03
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Frank Swain might want to remember he who pays the piper calls the tune, which has becomes a bit of an issue in more recent times. You only need to look at all the recanting so-called scientists did when Jeffry Epstein died and all their funding dried up.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:09
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Oh no so now all the “so called scientific experts” are on the pay check of the globalist paedophile cult! Please enlighten us how this is linked to pizzagate, Q-Anon and the great reset, and how Trump will save us from it all.....
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:21
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...and the fred publics think airline pilots are intelligent!!!!!
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:28
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Oh no so now all the “so called scientific experts” are on the pay check of the globalist paedophile cult! Please enlighten us how this is linked to pizzagate, Q-Anon and the great reset, and how Trump will save us from it all.....
No nothing to do with that. Epstein was privately funding eugenic research but when he died so did the funding. The scientist then came out and said their research should be discounted.

I'm sure a few large corporations have spun research one way or another to suit their ends as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/b...-eugenics.html

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...cience-he-died
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:35
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Positive cases arriving with the Tennis people.... here we go again!!!!
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 01:41
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The tennis players are here because of a long standing agreement and three months of very detailed planning (I was advised by someone who has a part in it) and a comprehensive organisational plan. When each Victorian can provide the same undertakings and level of detail, they can get special treatment too..

Some of you still don't understand.....

The moral of the story is don't travel unless you have to, have backup plans, listen to the news hourly and be prepared to move fast.
All that beautiful planning and yet our betters & overlords still didn’t understand what a terrible risk they were playing with the peasants!

Moral of the story is unless you’re big business, a celebrity, a sportsperson or Uber rich you’ll do what the overlords say not what they do.

Two coronavirus cases reportedly confirmed on Australian Open chartered flight into Melbourne


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Old 16th Jan 2021, 02:00
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neville_nobody (and others)

As asked before, what verifiable information do you offer in place of published scientific research?

You seem to omitting the effect of ‘peer review’ from your attempt at disparagement of scientific research (and government statistics).

I would have been very surprised (we’ll never know now) if research sponsored by Epstein would have been published in a recognised scientific journal.

Peer review culls most of the ‘not proven‘/‘not verifiable‘/‘not repeatable’ from publication and is independent of the money. If you’ve been through academic ‘peer review’ you’ll understand just what a blood sport it can be.

There is generally more to be gained by proving some research has issues than the actual research itself.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 02:59
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As asked before, what verifiable information do you offer in place of published scientific research?

You seem to omitting the effect of ‘peer review’ from your attempt at disparagement of scientific research (and government statistics).

I would have been very surprised (we’ll never know now) if research sponsored by Epstein would have been published in a recognised scientific journal.

Peer review culls most of the ‘not proven‘/‘not verifiable‘/‘not repeatable’ from publication and is independent of the money. If you’ve been through academic ‘peer review’ you’ll understand just what a blood sport it can be.

There is generally more to be gained by proving some research has issues than the actual research itself.
I am not arguing that. Just saying things need to be read in balance and taken with a grain of salt. Not everything is black and white and not all scientific research or government data is 100% honest.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 03:50
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Originally Posted by layman View Post
neville_nobody (and others)

As asked before, what verifiable information do you offer in place of published scientific research?

You seem to omitting the effect of ‘peer review’ from your attempt at disparagement of scientific research (and government statistics).

I would have been very surprised (we’ll never know now) if research sponsored by Epstein would have been published in a recognised scientific journal.

Peer review culls most of the ‘not proven‘/‘not verifiable‘/‘not repeatable’ from publication and is independent of the money. If you’ve been through academic ‘peer review’ you’ll understand just what a blood sport it can be.

There is generally more to be gained by proving some research has issues than the actual research itself.
Don't mistake "peer review" as any sort of gold standard. It does not guarantee that the research is the truth, and it does not guarantee that vested interests are not at work. There is often no process to follow, or level to achieve to claim peer review status. There is little proof that it actually improves anything. It's become a rubber stamp catch-all to stifle debate.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 04:41
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Don't mistake "peer review" as any sort of gold standard. It does not guarantee that the research is the truth
Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Not everything is black and white and not all scientific research or government data is 100% honest.
When you are claiming, without the relevant medical qualifications, that the scientific derived consensus on this pandemic is incorrect you had better provide some very, very solid evidence and be prepared to have it stand up to massive amounts of scrutiny. Otherwise you really are just sprouting conspiracy theories.

and it does not guarantee that vested interests are not at work
One could say that some pilots who want things to get back to how they were before this happened have a vested interest in minimising and downplaying any risks associated with the pandemic or just outright claiming it's a hoax and claiming all restrictions that affect their income like border closures are pointless. Therefore they are more susceptible to fall for pseudoscience and propaganda.

I understand the hardships plenty in this industry are facing. That's why we need to listen to the medical experts and follow their advice (social distancing, remote quarantining, mass uptake of the vaccine) in order to get back to normal as soon as safely possible.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 04:47
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Dre, you seem to live in a fantasy land where everything the government says (and supported by their paid “expert” lap dogs) is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

there are as many studies in support of and against lockdowns. There is no consensus.

what is clear is this is a political wet dream and these chief medical officers are basking in their glory of being important rule makers for the only time in their lives. They don’t want this to end.

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Old 16th Jan 2021, 06:05
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When you are claiming, without the relevant medical qualifications, that the scientific derived consensus on this pandemic is incorrect you had better provide some very, very solid evidence and be prepared to have it stand up to massive amounts of scrutiny. Otherwise you really are just sprouting conspiracy theories.
I wasn't claiming that at all. I was rebutting the comment that peer review is the be all and end all of the argument.

Royal Society of Medicine
Nature
NY Times
Science Alert
Wikipedia

Etc etc.

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Mr Dre, why don’t you come out and support the WHO’s October 2020 statement that lockdowns shouldn’t be the only option adopted? It would seem Jeannette Young and Daniel Andrews haven’t been listening. And the QLD Premier along with lapdog Young shut down a city of 2.2m people for 3 days due to 1 solitary case.

Oh well, I guess some people on here are so scared and have so much of fear of a virus that they are prepared to be brainwashed by the Government establishments who lie and deceive with every word they speak. Some peoples comfort blanket is strange indeed.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 07:05
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I wasn't claiming that at all. I was rebutting the comment that peer review is the be all and end all of the argument.
Those articles are mostly highlighting some issues with the scientific peer review process and suggesting improvements, not saying the peer review process should be discarded completely, to be replaced by....what?

Yes, there are some papers and articles published saying that lockdowns don't work, or more accurately say that current lockdown measures should be altered. However, there is a lot, and I mean a lot, of other articles, statements, evidence and authoritative opinion by far more scientists and medical experts saying they do work, and have produced identifiable results.

So what I say is that if the vast bulk of epidemiologists and public health experts aren't convinced by or entertaining this alternate opinion out there then why should I? Why should anyone posting here, unless they have a secret double life as an epidemiologist? Why do some without any authority to tell scientists they're wrong continue to do it? It has a psychological basis.

Conspiracy theorists have freed themselves from the lies of The Establishment, the Deep State, the Mainstream “Fake-News” Media. They, and their robust group of like-minded science-deniers, are the only ones who know the real truth. They know something — a lot of things, actually — that the rest of us don’t. They laugh at what fools we are for falling prey to obvious political agendas of scientists who are, after all, notorious for making baseless claims, duh. Everyone who does not share their ideas is a gullible idiot.

There is nothing to be done to dissuade these self-professed experts of their rightness. The fact that scientists live and work by a code that requires them to revise their hypotheses when new data is presented only confirms their belief. Scientists are sometimes wrong, but they, the conspiracy theorists, have always been right. And every new news article, every new study, every new expert opinion, only serves as further evidence that the world is against them.
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