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Old 21st Dec 2020, 20:12
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Originally Posted by Trampdave View Post
There are tens of thousands of cases every day in europe, and the live goes on (though stupidely restricted).

How long can your economy idle and your government print more money to compensate for sitting still? Is freedom to choose just an empty word now?
Youíd be hard pressed to get many Aussies (pilots included who want borders open) to agree with you that the UK strategy has been better.

Right now the figures say our economy is doing much better than Europe and our hospitals have spare capacity.

Not saying all this to be smug, just acknowledging we have got lucky with our geographical position and mining resources propping up the economy, and yes it can all come crashing down overnight.

Thoughts with everyone doing it tough around the world, hope you can have a good Christmas under the circumstances.



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Old 21st Dec 2020, 20:26
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
One things we can agree on. We are not Australian, we are not in this together we are more individual than ever our states divided by an imaginary line each having its own set of rules a federal goverment thatís totally powerless which has really only been realized to us with the outbreak of this pandemic. Some what ashamed on how other Australians are treating other Australians. If youíre in Aviation, tourism or hospitality be prepared for these open close borders which will be against NSW mostly as the risk is higher due to higher international arrivals When Victoria gets its next community case I hope McIdiot and the rest of them lock them out just to see Dan smug face then.
That may well happen but i dont believe borders are being closed because it makes the premier of another state feel good.
Why is it that NSW is still allowing gatherings of 300 people & still only recommending masks.
The leading infection experts are still trying to make sense of these 2 decisions so in reality the NSW premier is really her own worst enemy right now despite having done an outstanding job over many many months.
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
One things we can agree on. We are not Australian, we are not in this together we are more individual than ever our states divided by an imaginary line each having its own set of rules a federal goverment thatís totally powerless which has really only been realized to us with the outbreak of this pandemic. Some what ashamed on how other Australians are treating other Australians. If youíre in Aviation, tourism or hospitality be prepared for these open close borders which will be against NSW mostly as the risk is higher due to higher international arrivals When Victoria gets its next community case I hope McIdiot and the rest of them lock them out just to see Dan smug face then.
I think Dan is a moron of the highest order. The clusterf*vck in Victoria was caused by incompetence, a lack of oversight and since then there has been little ownership of the mistakes and lie after lie.

But I donít disagree with him closing the border to Sydney in the SHORT term- Melburnians donít deserve another lockdown under his regime. Iíll disagree if he pushes for 28 days no community transmission in re opening, that will take months.


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Old 21st Dec 2020, 21:50
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Any way they're closed 250 million lost to QLD alone is estimated, QLD to their credit have indicated an end date to revisit the open back up day being 8th January at the earliest. What are the other states going to do? SA, VIC NT and TAS don't have a plan yet WA well mcidiot will wait until March I suspect. By comparison to size SA recent Parafield was much worse by percentage other states except WA seem to open quickly to SA. yesterday 15 (0.041899% positive from test conducted) from 38,500 test is a huge turn out best in the country to date.

As for mask, well Glayds is relying on everyone being accountable and not making the mask mandatory this has worked so far, however, could it have prevented this Avalon outbreak who knows as patient zero can not be identified but suspicions is it was an international arrival hence mask wouldn't have mattered as this person should have been isolating anyway. As of this morning international crew are going 1 of 2 government hotels instead of going to 1 of 22 so this is good start on fixing that hole in the cheese. Next weak link is now international exemptions allowing ppl to isolate at home.
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 21:54
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Yeah no big deal.

Meanwhile, in California ICU capacity has tanked and mass fatality protocols activated...

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...pacity-at-zero

Other regions reporting at more than 100%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-capacity.html
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
You have 48 hours to produce your licence in Queensland. You should carry it with you, you do not have to. Reference is s.58(3) of the Police Powers Responsibilities Act.
e medicare card or passport is all that's required. Don't have to provide an address. This nonsense has gone on way too long.
That only applies under the Road Use Management Act or the Heavy Vehicle National Law (Queensland);
The Public Health Act 2005 gives the Police wider powers.
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 22:58
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You think you can outrun nature do you? Good luck with that.

As a mate of mine said, "look at the upside mate, no one has died of old age since March"
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 23:17
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
You think you can outrun nature do you? Good luck with that.

As a mate of mine said, "look at the upside mate, no one has died of old age since March"
No one ever dies of old age.
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 23:25
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Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 00:37
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian
Yep 👍🏼

and the irony in all the Ďha the gold standardí sarcasm that was across social media 2 days ago now that it seems like NSWís gold standard tracing is going to (fingers crossed) get this under control in under a week
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 00:42
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They're the best in the world. Also with them doing an exceptional job is the public which is following the direction and rules being put in place in a very dynamic environment so Sydney ppl are just as much to thank.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 01:04
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I've had to travel through the 3 eastern states quite a bit during the last 8 months, the difference between the states is marked. Being nannied into Stockholm Syndrome in VIC, the constant jingoism in QLD by quite possibly the dumbest politician in Australia (Miles) and the just get on with it in NSW.

Watching the southern and northern borders this morning is embarrassing. Thinking of a couple of mates and the inevitability of them being stood down again after probably the toughest 9 months of their lives, the destruction of hundreds of millions into the economy and family businesses. Well done Australia, 'We're all in this together'
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 01:28
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Originally Posted by getaway View Post
luckily guns are strill legal. I'm getting a big one for Xmas. Watch out.
BNEA320 is trying to get his latest pseudonym banned to add it to his collection.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 04:28
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian
Big difference today compared to the previous few days. They stumbled on the first few days, and whilst what is going on behind closed doors leaves other states for dead, the car crash media briefings didnít put faith in many. Looks like the PR team cleaned a few things up.

She left Sutton and Dan for dead today. Incredibly detailed and they most certainly know whatís going on it appears.

You donít really need to question contact tracing after seeing todayís performance. Watching months of Victoria briefings you just walk away full of skepticism. Always so many questions left unanswered. Too much unknown and guesswork. No matter how smooth talking Dan and Brett make it.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 05:39
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Well our boomers are at it again. 70yr old that’s supposed to stay home being an Avalon resident was fined for breaching the health order. Decided to go to Ulladulla leisure centre for a swim.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 07:51
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"NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says infections slipping through the cracks of hotel quarantine are "inevitable", after a case linked to the scheme was confirmed today."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...erges/13007030

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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 07:53
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
I am very happy to be in Oz, where 20 cases make news and 1 death is a headline. Not like Europe or Trumptown with 300,000 dead and tens of thousands more cases every day, hospitals loaded to the max, medical staff run off their feet.

In regional QLD, no lockdowns, no cases, and back in April, no toilet paper. But all good now, only difference is, no tourists.
I m sure a caged monkey in a zoo would be just as happy talking its wild counterpart. 😉
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:49
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CDC quarantine guidelines now suggest if no symptoms and have negative test on day 5, a 7 day isolation period is adequate (10 days if no symptoms and no test). At the very least, this should be a reduced requirement for border imposed isolation.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 19:50
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
They're the best in the world. Also with them doing an exceptional job is the public which is following the direction and rules being put in place in a very dynamic environment so Sydney ppl are just as much to thank.
Have never doubted the leaders in NSW, vic stuffed up in a big way but i think to their credit they have really turned that around & in reality all the opposition can do is still play poltics.
No govt will please everyone & even the govt you vote in may not give you what you think they should,all the people following the rules imposed will give the best result & overall thats what is happening.
I have friends in a couple of european countries who would give anything to be living here right now so who is better off?? Easy answer i would have thought.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Trampdave View Post
I m sure a caged monkey in a zoo would be just as happy talking its wild counterpart. 😉
Not sure which part of the EU you live in, but if I want to leave the state in which I live I need to travel 1400 km (distance to the nearest border).
If I want to go to Sydney then that figure doubles plus some.
This state has not had a case of virus in-the-wild or Covid death in over 250 days.
The only restriction of which I know and with which I am required to comply (other than my federal government imposed, monkey's cage travel restrictions) is to leave my telephone number when visiting certain venues.
Unemployment in the state is very slightly above the level it was pre-Covid and as I said in an earlier post, business confidence is reportedly at a 13 year high.

Now tell me again, why am I supposed to feel like a monkey in a cage?
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