How good is Alliance!!!!
Why bring politics into it?
Yes TFH2, you’re quite right that Alliance can employ whomever they want. It’s their right. But QF have asked Alliance to operate these Jets for them. As a condition of the deal they require at least some (not all) of their stood down pilots to be given those jobs. If Alliance said no, that they want 100% control over hiring, QF could just as easily say “righto, we’ll find another lease provider then who’ll meet our requirements.” Therefore Alliance misses out on that opportunity altogether which harms their pilots too.
That’s how business negotiations work. Qantas has arranged multiple leaves of absence for their pilots for several years at a time over the last decades for many reasons. These have been down with countless airlines both in Australia and Overseas. This isn’t a new or uncommon thing at all.
Yes TFH2, you’re quite right that Alliance can employ whomever they want. It’s their right. But QF have asked Alliance to operate these Jets for them. As a condition of the deal they require at least some (not all) of their stood down pilots to be given those jobs. If Alliance said no, that they want 100% control over hiring, QF could just as easily say “righto, we’ll find another lease provider then who’ll meet our requirements.” Therefore Alliance misses out on that opportunity altogether which harms their pilots too.
That’s how business negotiations work. Qantas has arranged multiple leaves of absence for their pilots for several years at a time over the last decades for many reasons. These have been down with countless airlines both in Australia and Overseas. This isn’t a new or uncommon thing at all.
The hiring of QF long haul pilots was merely an added bonus, not so sure why many got upset when this was pointed out. Some were acting like they could not believe a QF pilot might not be first choice. I’m pretty sure most jet pilots in Australia regardless of the airline are all of a pretty similar standard.
However if you still feel I hate QF and their pilots so be it, really no skin of my nose.
For info this doesn’t reflect the thoughts of most grown ups in the industry. Seems like a polished outfit from those I know who work there.
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
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This is a stroke of strategic genius:
1. Further evidence to the ACCC that you should be allowed to increase your stake
2. Get the jump on your competitor as they scramble to regain their footing
3. Offer an engagement opportunity to international pilots
4. Have same pilots demonstrate what ARE acceptable terms and conditions
5. Have AIPA international pilots undercut domestic pilots
1. Further evidence to the ACCC that you should be allowed to increase your stake
2. Get the jump on your competitor as they scramble to regain their footing
3. Offer an engagement opportunity to international pilots
4. Have same pilots demonstrate what ARE acceptable terms and conditions
5. Have AIPA international pilots undercut domestic pilots
Does seem to be particularly scabby if Intl pilots effectively undercut domestic QF pilots (both 73 and 71) after years of being "on top". I'd expect 3rd parties to do it, but not the colleagues of 737 and 717 drivers who are still stood down due to a lack of flying..
How so? It’s not struck work.
That is not happening. The contract with Alliance does not go ahead until all short haul (737) crew are stood back up every month.
That actually sounds like being a GA pilot many years ago. On a third of the money and replace the ice with booze. Livin the dream.
They come free with the $110k.
I would have thought that QF giving away any flying to a 3rd party when they have stood down pilots and the aircraft to do the job sitting idle would have been more a subject of angst than whether those pilots get a slim chance to fly for that 3rd party. It's QF f*cking you over, not QQ. If QF think the e-jet is such a wonderful fit, and wanted to really look after it's underemployed workforce, they would have dry-leased the aircraft. They just found another way to screw over their employees.
I would have thought that QF giving away any flying to a 3rd party when they have stood down pilots and the aircraft to do the job sitting idle would have been more a subject of angst than whether those pilots get a slim chance to fly for that 3rd party. It's QF f*cking you over, not QQ. If QF think the e-jet is such a wonderful fit, and wanted to really look after it's underemployed workforce, they would have dry-leased the aircraft. They just found another way to screw over their employees.
You mean exactly like the recent and rapid expansion of the Network A320 operation in Perth? That’s for a whole other thread, but QF have plenty of recent form when it comes to growing a subsidiary while another (more expensive) entity is mostly stood down.
They’ll do it while they can - the party will be over soon, and they’ll be back to having to do it the old fashioned way of scaring their crews into accepting lesser conditions.
CV has been great for their plans, but it will be short lived.
CV has been great for their plans, but it will be short lived.
QF have plenty of recent form when it comes to growing a subsidiary
How good is Alliance.
This thread has gone pretty quiet,
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
This thread has gone pretty quiet,
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
This thread has gone pretty quiet,
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
I’d like to hear moar about the QF LH crews opportunity to scab on the SH crew to fly a 50t jet. The same jet and operation they would have turned their nose up at circa 2019. After all, it weighs less than your fuel burn PER-LHR. But times change and so do principles right?
Never change guys. I love the mental gymnastics and the hyposcrisy.
j3
Current hiring taking place, apparently Adelaide is full as a base so any intakes now are going to Darwin. I believe it is at least 12 months before being able to change base like Brisbane or Perth. This is on the E190 at least anyway.
All type rated guys so far.
All type rated guys so far.
