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Old 4th Feb 2021, 01:59
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Maybe an opportunity for some guys to get back in the air.....]
Hopefully VA and TT guys and gals who actually have no flying jobs rather than those that are on standdown with flying jobs to go back to eventually.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 02:15
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
Hopefully VA and TT guys and gals who actually have no flying jobs rather than those that are on standdown with flying jobs to go back to eventually.

probably the case. Also LWOP for QF will be happening/available as well.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 03:44
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Or maybe they realise they bought a pup, with expensive EBA’s and militant unions.....

Welcome the NEW Cobham..... Alliance
Who’s the pup?
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 04:35
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Alliance shares will end the day up 10% making the 12 month return up about 71%. Qantas are down 27.8% for the past 12 months. Virgin well they dropped off the planet.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:28
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Hopefully VA and TT guys and gals who actually have no flying jobs rather than those that are on standdown with flying jobs to go back to eventually.
There's also a chance that some of Qantas' international pilots and crew will work on the nimble 94-seat jets. "Importantly, Alliance is keen to provide the opportunity for our international pilots and cabin crew to operate the E190s given it will be some time before overseas markets fully recover," Gissing says.
My bolding.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:44
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I think Qantas 20% ownership of Alliance may have something to do with the crewing arrangements!!
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:45
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My bolding.
It would be disappointing if that occurred. Why train them up to fly the E-jet when they’ll just go back to their white hats in 12/18/24 months time, when you’ve got a large number of actual unemployed pilots that will likely take the job for the long term.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:49
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You’re assuming that there will be the same number of flying jobs at Qantas to go back to post-covid!
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:53
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There are still a large number of ex-VA Ejet pilots that are either still stood down, on LWOP (doing non flying work) or redundant that are still waiting for a call from Alliance. Why would there be a need to look at non-endorsed pilots?
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 05:56
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It’s replacing QF flying. Why shouldn’t QF pilots be able to get the job’s?
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 06:02
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates View Post
It’s replacing QF flying. Why shouldn’t QF pilots be able to get the job’s?
Did the QF pilots get jobs on the 717 that replaced their flying previously...the answer is no, so unfortunately the precedent has been set.

There is no Ejet SIM in Australia as yet and when it gets here Alliance will not have the capability or approvals to do Type ratings so for those reasons alone why would they take non-type rated pilots.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 06:16
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Sure, but this time it seems it’s being offered. Time will tell if it’s a true offer or just words.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 06:20
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Maybe it’s being offered so that there will be no “transmission of business “ argument by the union? With Qantas owning 20% of Alliance???
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 06:58
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Maybe nothing is actually being offered and the comments regarding international crew are nothing more than an obvious statement that a number of QF pilots are not working for the foreseeable future and may choose to apply for a position through the normal process.

Maybe people on here are reading too much into it and thinking such comments mean QF will be arranging placements. I don't see that written anywhere.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 07:06
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Sure, but this time it seems it’s being offered. Time will tell if it’s a true offer or just words.
Nothing is being offered, they are just saying there is a chance. There is a chance QF pilots are not selected too. It's still a chance though!!

It would be kinda funny as it's such a GA thing to say from a company, but since people have careers on the line here it's probably best not to trivialised it. Given it's a new type I would suggest that there will be a few type rated folks required.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 07:28
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I think you will see that it is CEO John Gissing saying he is keen for Qantas International pilots currently not working to get an offer as quoted in the article! So there may be more to it!!
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 10:56
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ex the ACCC: Investigation into Qantas’s stake in Alliance Airlines continues....

This one (ex the ACCC)- Done, Dusted and of Nil relevance....????, Now.

Just a question....???, is all.

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an incomplete Extract (with URL's and plastic Cutlery removed...):

Investigation into Qantas’s stake in Alliance Airlines continues

1 June 2020

The ACCC is continuing to investigate Qantas Airways’ (Qantas) (ASX:QAN) acquisition of a 19.9 per cent stake in Alliance Aviation (Alliance) (ASX:AQZ) during these uncertain times in the aviation industry.

Qantas acquired a 19.9 per cent interest in Alliance last year, becoming Alliance’s single biggest shareholder. On 1 August 2019, the ACCC issued a statement of issues....

The ACCC is providing this update in response to queries by various stakeholders. The Australian aviation industry is in a state of major upheaval and now, more than ever, we are concerned that competition by smaller airlines is not hindered. We will continue to seek information from market participants to gauge any impacts on competition arising from Qantas’s stake in Alliance.

Alliance is an important and close competitor to Qantas, particularly in regional markets and for fly-in fly-out services for mining customers. Alliance, through a codeshare arrangement with Virgin, is also Qantas’s only competitor on passenger routes between Brisbane and the important regional centres of Bundaberg and Gladstone.

“Qantas’s decision to complete the acquisition of the 19.9 per cent stake in Alliance without first seeking ACCC clearance means this is an enforcement investigation rather than a standard merger review,” ACCC Chair Rod Sims said.

“The Australian aviation industry remains highly concentrated and it is crucial that competition provided by smaller airlines is maintained long-term.”

“The ACCC has been closely scrutinising the effects of the acquisition of this shareholding by Qantas. Acquiring a strategic stake in a close competitor in such a concentrated market raises clear competition concerns,” Mr Sims said.

The ACCC’s investigation is focussed on the competitive dynamics between Qantas and Alliance, examining whether Qantas’s stake affects Alliance’s ability to raise funds, consider takeovers or participate in commercial ventures, and whether Qantas is attempting to exert influence on Alliance’s decision-making or operations.

“We will consider enforcement action if there is evidence that the Qantas shareholding is compromising Alliance’s ability to be a strong competitor to Qantas, now and in the future,” Mr Sims said.

Qantas has stated publicly that it intends to seek regulatory approval to build on its current shareholding, with a longer-term view of taking a majority position in Alliance.

“Our current view is that any further increase in Qantas’s stake in Alliance is very likely to raise significant competition concerns under the Competition and Consumer Act,” Mr Sims said.

Background

On 1 February 2019, Qantas announced it had acquired a 19.9 per cent shareholding in Alliance, and that it intended to subsequently seek regulatory approval to acquire a majority position. The current market value of the shareholding is estimated to be over $60 million.

Brisbane-based Alliance supplies charter air services to corporate customers in Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia; mainly mining and resources companies requiring flights for their fly-in fly-out workforces. Alliance competes strongly with Qantas for this, in its own right or in cooperation with Virgin under the Charter Alliance Agreement.

Alliance and Qantas are also the only operators for regular passenger transport routes between Brisbane and the important regional centres of Bundaberg and Gladstone.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel View Post
Did the QF pilots get jobs on the 717 that replaced their flying previously...the answer is no, so unfortunately the precedent has been set.
Were there several hundred QF pilots stood down because there was ‘no useful work’ at the time??
The answer is no.
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 13:54
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Originally Posted by cynphil View Post
I think you will see that it is CEO John Gissing saying he is keen for Qantas International pilots currently not working to get an offer as quoted in the article! So there may be more to it!!
Lol, are you seriously quoting John Gissing as a reliable source.....

Under his watch -
Cobham expanded
NAA expanded
Jitconnect AOC dissolved
QLink ZERO opportunities, but multiple base closures
Let’s not mention all the false and broken promises at Jetstar
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Old 4th Feb 2021, 16:19
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
It would be disappointing if that occurred. Why train them up to fly the E-jet when they’ll just go back to their white hats in 12/18/24 months time, when you’ve got a large number of actual unemployed pilots that will likely take the job for the long term.
Exactly!! Use the QF international guys as an absolute last resort. Give the jobs to pilots who need a job and will stay for the long term. QF pilots have been spoilt for too long, let them take the hit this time and invest in people who will stay.
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