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Old 16th May 2021, 03:24
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What sub par?
It’s above the award?
And seems to be what Network, Air North & Air Niugini, Virgin (Fokker) all pay.
It’s a narrow body 100 seat domestic machine.. easiest job in the world!
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Old 16th May 2021, 04:44
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Originally Posted by longlegs View Post
A greenfields agreement is assessed by Fair Work against the Air Pilots Award 2010 which definitely my and presumably your union has participated in and accepted. I'm no expert but E190 terms and pay must be par or above otherwise it would not have been accepted by Fair Work. Feel free to bag the union for their role in the Award and go as hard as you like on Alliance but hold off sledging individuals for making decisions they are entitled to make. Pretty simple if others don't agree with the terms Alliance have on offer they don't have to sign.
It has been lodged with the FWC, not approved. AFAP, or any other union, were not involved. The base pay is below the 2020 Air Pilots Award, hence the move by AFAP to have it rejected.
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Old 16th May 2021, 04:46
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Originally Posted by geeup View Post
What sub par?
It’s above the award?
And seems to be what Network, Air North & Air Niugini, Virgin (Fokker) all pay.
It’s a narrow body 100 seat domestic machine.. easiest job in the world!
Base pay is below the 2020 award. It is also less than what Alliance currently pay their F100 crew. As F100s get replaced by E190s, the crew will be forced to take a pay cut.
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Old 16th May 2021, 07:38
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A greenfields agreement is assessed by Fair Work against the Air Pilots Award 2010 which definitely my and presumably your union has participated in and accepted. I'm no expert but E190 terms and pay must be par or above otherwise it would not have been accepted by Fair Work. Feel free to bag the union for their role in the Award and go as hard as you like on Alliance but hold off sledging individuals for making decisions they are entitled to make. Pretty simple if others don't agree with the terms Alliance have on offer they don't have to sign.
But do they have the right to agree an behalf of all pilots? If someone wants to take a cheap deal for themselves because they have a inheritance, bitcoin, money stashed in a Swiss Bank, the company gives them special share options etc etc that's their business. However the majority of pilots need to make money out of flying and a downward trend is really starting to appear in the industry. Also worth noting that no business actually agrees to the full award as it is way to restrictive. They just cherry pick the nice cheap bits they like then conveniently ignore the expensive/difficult to implement parts. Just like all the GA operators who used to claim they paid the award. They might have paid the salary but never any of the allowances!
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Old 17th May 2021, 01:46
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No one “accepts on behalf of all pilots”.

It is an EA EBA

There is a vote by the pilot group,
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Old 26th May 2021, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Zhoottoo View Post
Saw Alliance's 100 Years of Airforce Embraer land in Brisbane this morning. Has anyone got some photos? Looks incredible and has my vote for the best of their growing number of special paint jobs.

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Old 26th May 2021, 09:40
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So how have the load factors been since the launch of the ADL-ASP-DRW flights by Alliance?
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Old 26th May 2021, 10:36
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These flights only started a couple of days ago and it doesn’t matter to Alliance what sort of Load Factor they have.
These are QF flights operated by Alliance using QF flight numbers and call signs under contract. It doesn’t matter if the pax load is ZERO, Alliance still get paid!

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Old 26th May 2021, 11:01
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Originally Posted by longlegs View Post
Now that cheers me up (while I'm picking tomorrow's home deliveries). Well done Alliance!!! Be interesting if QF let the Alliance design guys loose. I'm thinking a dot painting could look good on an E190 criss-crossing the red centre of Australia.
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Old 26th May 2021, 20:45
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Deejaypee gets it 👍
Well done Alliance
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Old 27th May 2021, 03:01
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These flights only started a couple of days ago and it doesn’t matter to Alliance what sort of Load Factor they have. These are QF flights operated by Alliance using QF flight numbers and call signs under contract. It doesn’t matter if the pax load is ZERO, Alliance still get paid!
How sustainable is that kind of arrangement in the longer term? Just about every regional in the USA imploded under that model ultimately because they couldn't crew flights because they didn't pay enough. These weren't small operators either, some of them were bigger than Australian domestic carriers.
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Old 27th May 2021, 04:48
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
How sustainable is that kind of arrangement in the longer term? Just about every regional in the USA imploded under that model ultimately because they couldn't crew flights because they didn't pay enough. These weren't small operators either, some of them were bigger than Australian domestic carriers.
Contract work.
Sustainable for the length of the contract.
Much easier for the contractor because they are usually paid in advance. With good profit margins
Lots of airlines have done well on this model in Australia & abroad
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Old 27th May 2021, 07:04
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
How sustainable is that kind of arrangement in the longer term? Just about every regional in the USA imploded under that model ultimately because they couldn't crew flights because they didn't pay enough. These weren't small operators either, some of them were bigger than Australian domestic carriers.
Big differences between QQ's arrangement and the US commuter carriers. Most of the regional guys in the US are effectively just labour hire and operations guys because in most cases the aircraft are owned by the contracting carrier. That makes their labour costs the only real defining factor against each other. The parallel here is when Cobham operated the 717s for Qantas.

By contrast, Alliance own their E190s, so they are providing an asset as well as the labour for Qantas. If Qantas were to walk away, QQ would just flip the E190s into their mining operations to replace the F100s, or send them across the road to do some flying for Virgin, or do whatever else they find for them. Sure, the Qantas deal will take up most of their E190 fleet's time, but it is not the only string to their bow. They are getting to a size where their marginal costs will come lower and will be hard for any other carrier in Australia to beat across the mining charter, wet lease or other operations.
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Old 27th May 2021, 10:09
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Sure, the Qantas deal will take up most of their E190 fleet's time, but it is not the only string to their bow.
I am not sure that is correct. Alliance have bought thirty airframes, Q has committed to less than half of those on contract to them SO FAR.
Alliance have plenty of capacity to conduct their own RPT and charter as well.
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Old 29th May 2021, 03:13
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EJet ADL and DRW spots offered to Jetstar 787 pilots for 36 months LWOP.

The info says 3 EJets for Wet lease services for QF.
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Old 30th May 2021, 03:28
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
EJet ADL and DRW spots offered to Jetstar 787 pilots for 36 months LWOP.

The info says 3 EJets for Wet lease services for QF.
Good to hear for my mates at Jetstar on the 787. Tinfoil Hat won't be happy though! LOL
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Old 30th May 2021, 03:31
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Originally Posted by Deejaypee View Post
These flights only started a couple of days ago and it doesn’t matter to Alliance what sort of Load Factor they have.
These are QF flights operated by Alliance using QF flight numbers and call signs under contract. It doesn’t matter if the pax load is ZERO, Alliance still get paid!
Don't get all defensive about it mate. I'm happy it's working out for Alliance. I'm just wondering how the loads have been since the start of operations?
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Old 30th May 2021, 22:15
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A Brisbane-based airline is believed to be Australia’s first employer to order all of its workers to undergo vaccination for Covid-19 or face potential disciplinary action.

Alliance Aviation, which has contracts with major mining companies and operates numerous flights for Qantas and Virgin Australia, has issued the vaccination policy, stating “all employees will take part in the Alliance Group Immunisation Program”.

Contractors and their employees will also be required to be vaccinated to conduct work on Alliance Group worksites, the policy states. Alliance managing director Scott McMillan said management and the company’s board of directors took the view that they had a legal obligation to provide a safe workplace for staff and customers.

“There’s a few people within the company who may not be too happy with the stand we’ve taken, but the vast majority, well north of 95 per cent, are very supportive of it,” Mr McMillan said.

“Right throughout the industry there’s a big move towards people being vaccinated. All the senior management and directors have been vaccinated and we believe the way forward is for all of us to be vaccinated.”

In the first instance, workers who refuse to be vaccinated against either the flu or Covid-19 or both, will be subject to a risk assessment process, said the policy. Those who continue to refuse without a valid medical or other legal reason will be considered “a refusal to follow a lawful direction given to the employee by their employer and appropriate disciplinary action may be taken”.

Mr McMillan said the airline had taken legal advice on the policy and he would be happy to test it in court. “I think the most important thing is most staff have embraced it. About half of our workforce of 700 have already had their first dose.”

Other airlines including Qantas and Virgin Australia have stopped short of adopting a mandatory vaccination policy for employees, rather “strongly encouraging” workers to get the jab.

Australian Federation of Air Pilots executive director Simon Lutton said they were very much in favour of vaccination and encouraged members to get vaccinated. But he said making the Covid-19 vaccine a condition of employment was potentially problematic.

“We’ve written to the company saying we’re concerned that they may’ve overstepped the mark by making it mandatory. They’ve come back to us saying they’re comfortable with their legal position and we’re essentially reviewing the situation at the moment,” d Mr Lutton said.
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Old 30th May 2021, 23:24
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Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had my first jab and the second is coming up, I will then be fully 5G compliant and able to project porn straight to the back of my eyeballs......how good is THAT Austraya!!!!!!!! But, if they want to impose it on their workers, then they have to impose it on their passengers for exactly the same reasons. What do think the chances of that are?
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Old 30th May 2021, 23:52
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Originally Posted by No Idea Either View Post
if they want to impose it on their workers, then they have to impose it on their passengers for exactly the same reasons.
I wouldn't have thought so.
I would expect the company to argue that by requiring all employees and contractors to be fully vaccinated, they have adopted a Health & Safety Policy that implements sufficient mitigation steps to make the risk of Covid-19 infection As Low As Reasonably Practicable.
An employee who refuses to be vaccinated would be in breach of his H&S Policy and would therefore be potentially liable to disciplinary procedures.
IANAL but I would expect them to argue like that

The counter argument would of course be that this H&S Policy requires employees to undergo an invasive medical treatment, which is contrary to employees' Human Rights.
It could easily be up to a Full Bench of the High Court of Australia to tell y'all which part of legislation takes precedence

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