How good is Alliance!!!!
Since when does fairness have anything to do with business decisions ?
TFH you will learn pretty soon that Qantas management do not give a rats arse about what’s fair or right.
The issue driving this is with the A380 unlikely to return and no aircraft orders Qantas has 300 or so surplus pilots now. Even after the last redundancies
What Qantas should do is just pay CRS to these guys and girls. Instead it is slow baking people with endless stand downs. It also wants people to voluntarily leave and take jobs elsewhere which is what this whole palava is about.
That’s why they made it a condition of the deal originally for Alliance to get the E Jet work it was going to also have to agree to take surplus QF pilots and cabin crew. As per the CPs email.
You have consistently slagged off Qantas pilots as Skygods. I have to ask you - how many QF pilots do you actually know and how many of them have, in your presence, said and done embarrassing things.
I am betting the answer to both is nil.
TFH you will learn pretty soon that Qantas management do not give a rats arse about what’s fair or right.
The issue driving this is with the A380 unlikely to return and no aircraft orders Qantas has 300 or so surplus pilots now. Even after the last redundancies
What Qantas should do is just pay CRS to these guys and girls. Instead it is slow baking people with endless stand downs. It also wants people to voluntarily leave and take jobs elsewhere which is what this whole palava is about.
That’s why they made it a condition of the deal originally for Alliance to get the E Jet work it was going to also have to agree to take surplus QF pilots and cabin crew. As per the CPs email.
You have consistently slagged off Qantas pilots as Skygods. I have to ask you - how many QF pilots do you actually know and how many of them have, in your presence, said and done embarrassing things.
I am betting the answer to both is nil.
I have never slagged of QF pilots and you are an idiot for saying so. I do know a few by the way and no, Im not giving you there names.
If their view on reality is anything like yours, then no!
I just heard Alan Joyce runs Alliance and has over all control of the day to day running of the company because you know, THEY ARE QANTAS!!! Also the QF skygods are first choice because he says so and Alliance pilots could do with the help. He also determines who flies what and that QF staff will re-train Alliance staff due to superior skill and ability..
LOL!!!
I just heard Alan Joyce runs Alliance and has over all control of the day to day running of the company because you know, THEY ARE QANTAS!!! Also the QF skygods are first choice because he says so and Alliance pilots could do with the help. He also determines who flies what and that QF staff will re-train Alliance staff due to superior skill and ability..
LOL!!!
Does anyone really believe that hiring QF pilots would have been any part of the negotiations and agreement with Alliance? Maybe an after thought.
Having said that, if QF is footing the bill for training, it could be a bit of a money making opportunity for Alliance doing their type ratings in their sim.
Having said that, if QF is footing the bill for training, it could be a bit of a money making opportunity for Alliance doing their type ratings in their sim.
Does anyone really believe that hiring QF pilots would have been any part of the negotiations and agreement with Alliance? Maybe an after thought.
Having said that, if QF is footing the bill for training, it could be a bit of a money making opportunity for Alliance doing their type ratings in their sim.
Having said that, if QF is footing the bill for training, it could be a bit of a money making opportunity for Alliance doing their type ratings in their sim.
However the Alliance money saving opportunity would be hard to turn down especially when QF is footing the bill for the training and associated costs.
No-one but a clown believes the hiring of a long haul QF pilot was a requirement of getting the contract with Qantas. An after thought is exactly right.
However the Alliance money saving opportunity would be hard to turn down especially when QF is footing the bill for the training and associated costs.
However the Alliance money saving opportunity would be hard to turn down especially when QF is footing the bill for the training and associated costs.
So, what do you have to say about JQ? Are they the axis of evil as well?
Alliance is GA with jets at best, can’t imagine many established QF pilots moving to one of the two backwaters on offer to fly an Ejet. Your precious jobs are safe TFH.
I dont believe anyone said it was. Someone said ‘maybe’ as part of the discussion. But off you went on your anti QF rant anyway. You said QF pilots would be disappointed. You said QF pilots should cop it because they’re all loaded (ask the newly joined SO’s if they’re loaded). You said no QF pilot would get a job. Then you claimed a victory in some kind of imaginary war against all QF pilots.
So, what do you have to say about JQ? Are they the axis of evil as well?
So, what do you have to say about JQ? Are they the axis of evil as well?
Maybe aviation is not for you, seems to make your blood boil..
Just could not wait to see how long it would take for you to **** the bed!!
Lol
TF2, you are the new BNEA320!
No idea who that is...Dont care either!
Not my fault you lot from QF are all getting upset because you have been wrong on every point you made about this Alliance deal. Some of us are just pointing this out to you in a normal discussion. A few recent posters and you know who you are seem to be getting your knickers in a twist for no reason!
Not my fault you lot from QF are all getting upset because you have been wrong on every point you made about this Alliance deal. Some of us are just pointing this out to you in a normal discussion. A few recent posters and you know who you are seem to be getting your knickers in a twist for no reason!
No idea who that is...Dont care either!
Not my fault you lot from QF are all getting upset because you have been wrong on every point you made about this Alliance deal. Some of us are just pointing this out to you in a normal discussion. A few recent posters and you know who you are seem to be getting your knickers in a twist for no reason!
Not my fault you lot from QF are all getting upset because you have been wrong on every point you made about this Alliance deal. Some of us are just pointing this out to you in a normal discussion. A few recent posters and you know who you are seem to be getting your knickers in a twist for no reason!
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I am starting to imagine a 4 hour flight with TinFoilHat...
PF: “Gear Up”
TFH: “Can you believe those skygods think they are going to come here and fly the E-Jet? It’s amazing, they think they are the razor’s edge and they don’t want to even move to Darwin...”
PF: (reaches over and puts the gear up himself) “I don’t think any of them said tha-“
TFH: “They want to come here and then leave when it suits them! They’re not even type rated. They’re loaded and they want to take all the jobs and tell us how to do it...”
PF: “I don’t think any of them sai-“
TFH: “Alliance will employ who they want! I’m telling you... you don’t seem to understand!”
PF: “What if they want to employ some QF pilo-“
TFH: “I’ve got nothing against QF pilots, but if they think they can...”
[4 hours later]
TFH: “Alan Joyce does NOT run this company. We will employ who we want, when we want and-“
PF: “Gear Down”
TFH: “...and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this, business simply doesn’t work this way. Alliance is in charge of hiring, not Alan Joyce! These skygods can keep their noses out of our business. Listen -“
[TFH notices the aircraft is at the gate and the other pilot has vacated]
TFH: “Holy crap, are we here already?”
Cleaner: “Are you coming out sir?”
TFH: “Did you hear about Alliance hiring Qantas pilots? Listen, it’s crazy...”
PF: “Gear Up”
TFH: “Can you believe those skygods think they are going to come here and fly the E-Jet? It’s amazing, they think they are the razor’s edge and they don’t want to even move to Darwin...”
PF: (reaches over and puts the gear up himself) “I don’t think any of them said tha-“
TFH: “They want to come here and then leave when it suits them! They’re not even type rated. They’re loaded and they want to take all the jobs and tell us how to do it...”
PF: “I don’t think any of them sai-“
TFH: “Alliance will employ who they want! I’m telling you... you don’t seem to understand!”
PF: “What if they want to employ some QF pilo-“
TFH: “I’ve got nothing against QF pilots, but if they think they can...”
[4 hours later]
TFH: “Alan Joyce does NOT run this company. We will employ who we want, when we want and-“
PF: “Gear Down”
TFH: “...and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this, business simply doesn’t work this way. Alliance is in charge of hiring, not Alan Joyce! These skygods can keep their noses out of our business. Listen -“
[TFH notices the aircraft is at the gate and the other pilot has vacated]
TFH: “Holy crap, are we here already?”
Cleaner: “Are you coming out sir?”
TFH: “Did you hear about Alliance hiring Qantas pilots? Listen, it’s crazy...”
Always one of you lurking around!!
Yes TFH2, you’re quite right that Alliance can employ whomever they want. It’s their right. But QF have asked Alliance to operate these Jets for them. As a condition of the deal they require at least some (not all) of their stood down pilots to be given those jobs. If Alliance said no, that they want 100% control over hiring, QF could just as easily say “righto, we’ll find another lease provider then who’ll meet our requirements.” Therefore Alliance misses out on that opportunity altogether which harms their pilots too.
That’s how business negotiations work. Qantas has arranged multiple leaves of absence for their pilots for several years at a time over the last decades for many reasons. These have been down with countless airlines both in Australia and Overseas. This isn’t a new or uncommon thing at all.
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For info this doesn’t reflect the thoughts of most grown ups in the industry. Seems like a polished outfit from those I know who work there.
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
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Equally if some of what has been sprouted is true MAY place one in a better position if VR is required and any difference between those who offered/accepted and those who didn't. Dunno but maybe...??
Also those who think "covered by award and bullet proof" are being a bit innocent, may well be a starting point but due time/circumstances/necessity may not be the finishing point. "Unusual times" and all that.
Finally some may have family in far flung places to catch up with, doing a course/training keeps the mind ticking over and all a "sense of adventure" package.
Believe it or not airline flying doesn't have to beat the enjoyment out of going to work - even some QF drivers may still derived such enjoyment and have a go.
And beats the hell out of waiting for International (and Domestic the way things are going for that matter) to stagger towards the "new normal", as these pages prove up to each individual to decide how much of wishfull thinking or delusional fervour they view events with to justify their hopes/expectations.
For info this doesn’t reflect the thoughts of most grown ups in the industry. Seems like a polished outfit from those I know who work there.
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
Judging by your performance though Tin Foil it would be fair to say Alliance has the same ratio of d!ckheads as the “sky god” airline. Back to that 4 hour flight...
It seems he's an Alliance wannabe probably trying to scare off any opposition from QF pilots to improve his chances of getting the job.
Or possibly one of the best wind-up artists this site has seen in quite a while. Imagine being able to repeatedly come up with stuff like
and still have people take you seriously. Well played, sir! 
You must be one these WOKE FOLK on the LEFT who just hate debate!!
