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Old 17th May 2020, 10:02
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
0.02% the same as H1N1 (swine flu)

death rate in Aus currently 1.4%
even though Virologists in Germany and other countries have estimated the true mortality of this thing to be 0.37%.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:05
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Less than 0.5% is more accurate.... people have been brainwashed into thinking this is
some horrendous fatal disease, comparable to Ebola. Too much Hollywood and not very much in the way of facts.
why don’t you pop over to northern Italy and check out one of their COVID wards and report back to us.

Tell the doctors ‘it’s all Hollywood’. I’m sure they’ll appreciate the news that there’s nothing to worry about.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Plastic787 View Post
even though Virologists in Germany and other countries have estimated the true mortality of this thing to be 0.37%.
0.37 is a lot more than 0.02

0.37% mortality rate with 60% of the population required at a minimum to be infected to achieve herd immunity equates to 55,000 Aussie deaths.

No thanks
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
0.37 is a lot more than 0.02
But worth paralysing the entire global economy over and plunging millions worldwide into poverty, the direct result of which will be increased levels of sickness and ill health both physical and mental, the latter of which will cause greatly increased suicides? You watch the death rate from this skyrocket way in excess of the excess deaths from Covid. If you really believe this to be worth it then I genuinely pity you.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:11
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Given the respiratory impairment, and blood clotting issues emerging some time after "recovery", has anyone that has recovered had any problems renewing their Class 1 Medical?
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Plastic787 View Post
But worth paralysing the entire global economy over and plunging millions worldwide into poverty, the direct result of which will be increased levels of sickness and ill health both physical and mental, the latter of which will cause greatly increased suicides? You watch the death rate from this skyrocket way in excess of the excess deaths from Covid. If you really believe this to be worth it then I genuinely pity you.
I’m talking about Australian borders being closed, that won’t effect the global economy. if everything goes to plan, the vast majority of Aussie’s will be back to work by July.

Unless there are 55,000 suicides, I believe it’s worth it.

But thanks for the pity
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:20
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Besides, with hard shielding, there will be no additional risk for these groups. U
How hard will this shielding be and how long will it go on for? I've been accused of being mean to the elderly but that takes the cake.

And don't forget, it isn't always the elderly that is the most vulnerable in a pandemic. The 1918 strain killed mostly 20 and 30 year olds, for reasons unknown. There's a chance this virus may mutate or a future one appear and do the same. Do we hard shield 20-40 year olds to protect the elderly in that case?
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:22
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
why don’t you pop over to northern Italy and check out one of their COVID wards and report back to us.

Tell the doctors ‘it’s all Hollywood’. I’m sure they’ll appreciate the news that there’s nothing to worry about.
Utter hysteria. The sort that’s got the globe into this mess.

FACTS Case fatality rate shown to be less than 0.5%. Actual fatality rate is much lower than this, the true figure will not be known until this plays out. If it is shown the U.K. is past 10% infection already (7 million) the current U.K. IFR is around 0.1%. Not that the media hysteria would have you believe that.

Italians - oldest average population on the globe. Large family units and lots of obesity amongst the elderly. Kissing on greeting. No natural immunity to this and a very large number of infections.

People need to look at the data and stop the media hysteria driving their opinions.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:23
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
How hard will this shielding be and how long will it go on for? I've been accused of being mean to the elderly but that takes the cake.

And don't forget, it isn't always the elderly that is the most vulnerable in a pandemic. The 1918 strain killed mostly 20 and 30 year olds, for reasons unknown. There's a chance this virus may mutate or a future one appear and do the same. Do we hard shield 20-40 year olds to protect the elderly in that case?
so in other words, the rest of us have to go through the same, to be “in it Together”? Which demographic pays the lion share of tax and keeps things going?

The economy is on its knees and the 20 times of hospital admissions amongst the elderly is placing frontline workers at massive risk. So please accept it as necessary and play your part. The over 70s pensions are paid by whom? Those of us whose jobs And livelihoods are at risk to Protect your wrinkly behinds.

Talking about ifs and when’s is irrelevant. 92% of fatalities are over 70 and 95% have at least one chronic condition.

Get a decent Netflix subscription and do some gardening. Dig for Britain! (Oz/NZ/Korea).

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Old 17th May 2020, 10:29
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Given the respiratory impairment, and blood clotting issues emerging some time after "recovery", has anyone that has recovered had any problems renewing their Class 1 Medical?
The U.K. caa guidance is that if you are still having respiratory difficulties post recovery, you are unfit and need an AME consultancy to regain class one. Same if you are artificially ventilated. Post my case, I had a video chat with the AME to cover my backside but were happy for me to maintain. Of the 50+ cases at work I’ve not heard of a single case resulting in a class one being pulled. Bearing in mind asymptomatic rates, thats at least over 100 people who have had it.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:35
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Utter hysteria. The sort that’s got the globe into this mess.

FACTS Case fatality rate shown to be less than 0.5%. Actual fatality rate is much lower than this, the true figure will not be known until this plays out. If it is shown the U.K. is past 10% infection already (7 million) the current U.K. IFR is around 0.1%. Not that the media hysteria would have you believe that.

Italians - oldest average population on the globe. Large family units and lots of obesity amongst the elderly. Kissing on greeting. No natural immunity to this and a very large number of infections.

People need to look at the data and stop the media hysteria driving their opinions.
‘The true figure will not be known until this plays out’

How can you state ‘FACTS’ and then contradict yourself with that admission?

Back to my original point, 98 deaths v 34,000. That says enough
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
The U.K. caa guidance is that if you are still having respiratory difficulties post recovery, you are unfit and need an AME consultancy to regain class one. Same if you are artificially ventilated. Post my case, I had a video chat with the AME to cover my backside but were happy for me to maintain. Of the 50+ cases at work I’ve not heard of a single case resulting in a class one being pulled. Bearing in mind asymptomatic rates, thats at least over 100 people who have had it.
so you don’t live in Aus? Why are you so concerned with our border policy?
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
‘The true figure will not be known until this plays out’

How can you state ‘FACTS’ and then contradict yourself with that admission?

Back to my original point, 98 deaths v 34,000. That says enough
current peer reviewed and accepted studies believe (but can not definitively prove as it has a statistical basis) that around 10% of the UKs 68 million population have been infected. 50,000 deaths in the U.K. I won’t insult your intelligence doing the maths. Other non peer reviewed studies by reputable scientists put the upper bound at 30% infection. Sweden has a peer reviewed survey that put infection above 30% last month. If the IFR was above 1%, we would have over 500000 deaths by now. We don’t. Draw your conclusions from that.

Besides, Aus has avoided nothing. By the end there will be 50k dead Aussies or a dead Aussie economy. All you have done is kick the can down the road.


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Old 17th May 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
so you don’t live in Aus? Why are you so concerned with our border policy?
Because you’ve got it so wrong that I thought it was worth pointing out to the Covbola brainwashed. I like Oz, love going there,
love the people. The thought that I won’t be visiting there is rather upsetting.
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
current peer reviewed and accepted studies believe (but can not prove) that around 10% of the UKs 68 million population have been infected. 50,000 deaths in the U.K. I won’t insult your intelligence doing the maths. Other non peer reviewed studies by reputable scientists put the upper bound at 30% infection. Sweden has a peer reviewed survey that put infection above 30% last month. If the IFR was above 1%, we would have over 500000 deaths by now. We don’t. Draw your conclusions from that.

Besides, Aus has avoided nothing. By the end there will be 50k dead Aussies or a dead Aussie economy. All you have done is kick the can down the road.
why do you assume that 50,000 dead is inevitable?

Vaccine, effective treatment, virus mutates to be less deadly.

Give us a bell when one of these happens, then we’ll let you in.

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Old 17th May 2020, 10:48
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
But the 5000 or so pilots in the country (2000ish long haul) being temporarily out of the job to protect the health of 25 million people is a worthwhile trade off.
If I’m going to sacrifice my future for the good of the country, at the very least I want a decent statue.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:48
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Comparing country to country (or even continent to continent) is in my opinion completely redundant. There are way too many variables (Population density, numbers of overseas visitors, genetic makeup of population, seasonal time of outbreak, government strategy, strain of virus, accuracy of statistics, just to name a few). The only thing I think we can say is we may be (hopefully) closely approaching or past the first spike. There seems to be no common scientific consensus that suggests the best path forward......yet. If herd immunity is valid for this virus, those with the higher death rates may see a better result moving forward than those that are entering the winter months with a relatively low infection rate. That is unfortunately a big IF.

I'm of the opinion the social toll for the Covid-19 restrictions is gathering momentum. I'd be surprised if that doesn't start to raise its ugly head as the next crisis. I'd love to think that money spent on Mental Health services could eliminate that threat, but alas, I think the longer this goes on, the less likely that is. We have short memories and don't remember the days of economic depression. Modern man is not genetically prepared for devolution of quality of life. This train crash is likely to take out 2 or 3 stations with it. The only thing I can see with clarity is I have no idea which is the best way forward.
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:55
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
Because you’ve got it so wrong that I thought it was worth pointing out to the Covbola brainwashed. I like Oz, love going there,
love the people. The thought that I won’t be visiting there is rather upsetting.
so we should put 50,000 people in the grave so you can chill out at Bondi?

with all due respect, naahhhhh
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:03
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
0.37 is a lot more than 0.02

0.37% mortality rate with 60% of the population required at a minimum to be infected to achieve herd immunity equates to 55,000 Aussie deaths.

No thanks
where did you get 0.02% from?


This article discusses the methods used to estimate the proportion of deaths caused by infection from the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus, known as the case-fatality ratio. The authors say that early data suggests that the new virus appears to be fairly mild, and the case-fatality ratio is similar to seasonal flu (around 0.5%). However, they say that this ratio seems to vary considerably between countries and, notably, a younger population appears to be affected compared with seasonal flu.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lu...ne-flu-deaths/

The CFR of Coronavirus and Swine flu are of the same order. It’s just we haven’t had a coronavirus pandemic before so everyone is getting it.
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:07
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
so we should put 50,000 people in the grave so you can chill out at Bondi?

with all due respect, naahhhhh
you are going to have 50k+ dead anyway of this.
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