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Old 7th Jul 2020, 03:30
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ex ABC: Suspected cases of the bubonic plague........

But wait, 'there is more'- apparently.....

Suspected cases of the bubonic plague have popped up in China and Mongolia. Should I be worried?
Article link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...ncern/12428978

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 13:56
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I had a peep at this vid which I happen to come across and said Dan Andrews is pretty much copying what California and the US have done.
Lock down for 6 weeks crash the economy further suicides depression and fatigue will be worse in the long run.
Astonishing he says Chicago has 120 deaths a day due to gunshots and Australia has had 106 Covid deaths since March.
As this thread says, time for a reality check.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
I had a peep at this vid which I happen to come across and said Dan Andrews is pretty much copying what California and the US have done.
Astonishing he says Chicago has 120 deaths a day due to gunshots and Australia has had 106 Covid deaths since March.
As this thread says, time for a reality check.
Yeah a reality check. Pseudoscience isn't reality. "Dr" John Bergman is a chiropracter. An anti-vaxxer who thinks flu shots spread cancer. An alternative medicine practioner who thinks 'essential oils' cure Covid. He claims hand sanitiser causes heart disease and diabetes. In other words, a quack.

I'm not sane enought to listen to 45 minutes of his drivel but if he did quote that about the gun death rate in Chicago he's wrong by orders of magnitude (under 2 a day for all homicides, although I have no idea why that is relevant to a discussion about Australian pandemic prevention other than to show the about "Doctor" is a quack).
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 20:02
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How about we stick to real science and not YouTube conspiracy rubbish? We are supposed to be professionals after all.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 06:31
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Lockdowns work, we have seen ample evidence of that. Australia has had a number of outbreaks that have all been controlled, Tasmanian hospitals, ADL bag chuckers, over 1100 local infections in NSW now basically zero all community transmissions in the last month have been retracted.

The USA is a uniquely disastrous combination of factors. You have a place on the verge of civil war before all this kicked off. Some people view wearing face masks as extremely oppressive, others view gathering in large groups to protest as pure murder unless they’re protesting about their pet issue. Combine it with their incompetent government institutions and individuality on steroids, it was always going to hammer them.

The other driver of interaction and consequently infection is poverty! Look at all of South America and the subcontinent, you work or starve, irrespective of how sick you are.

The Chairman Dan comments are pathetic, obviously they screwed the pooch on quarantine but to say he hates you for your freedums is asinine.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 06:51
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 20:49
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From an article in The Australian today:

“The World Health Organisation has now acknowledged what many scientists suspected — the virus may be transmitted via airborne particles. Short-range aerosol transmission, particularly in specific indoor locations such as crowded, inadequately ventilated spaces, is possible.”

Airline bosses pushing the line that aircraft are CV19 safe is delusional and just talking shop. People will make their own choices about crowded air travel. Suggesting HEPA filters will protect against the spread of this highly contagious virus is disingenuous and blatantly false. Clearly if someone sitting near you is infected your chances of infection are high.

The only way air air travel is going to really open up is the discovery of a highly efficacious vaccine, effective antiviral drugs that stop the bugger killing some people or a pretty much an on the spot test to ensure all those aboard are virus free. Or, everyone sucks it up and plays Russian roulette, and roll with the consequences. Anything else is fanciful!
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 22:20
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At last. A recognition of aerosol size particle, longer distance spread. What plant pathologists have known for decades about the inter-continental spread of fungal and viral diseases, via thermal uplift into the upper atmosphere, and west to east spread in the temperate regions. East to west on Sahara dust in the tropics. Quarantine, (in the form we know it), cannot protect against random fallout of infected particles, spores, eggs, even pollutants such as pesticides and those of fuel pollution.

Social distancing works well against infection via larger, water based droplets which gravitate out relatively close to source. Whether it can protect against smaller particle, (aerosol size), spread isn't clear. There has been some comment about airconditioner spread of aerosol sized virus and relating this to spread in hotter weather. Filtration in an aircraft can be made so efficacious as to avoid aerosol spread, but in the wider world it doesn't appear possible.

The next question is: can these non-aeqeous particles be spread on clothing, do they last long enough, and is this a spread factor? Many other diseases can be. The reason behind AQIS asking if you've been 'on farm' anywhere in your travels.

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:32
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Airline bosses pushing the line that aircraft are CV19 safe is delusional and just talking shop.
Evidence mate, evidence is what you should be looking for. Unlike the WHO.

Where is your evidence that any case was transmitted via an aircraft cabin?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:38
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Evidence, The fact that nearly the entire company went down with the flu every season until the company stumped up for the flu jab, since CV-19 is 4 times more infectious, it follows that it's very unlikely not to be transmitted in an aircraft cabin, in fact any closed space.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:43
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
The fact that nearly the entire company went down with the flu every season until the company stumped up for the flu jab
Errr, what....? A vast majority of a company got influenza every year?

**cut to Xeptu furiously googling “are colds and influenza the same thing?”**

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:48
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I think the line that many airline execs put out that there haven’t been any cases of transmission on a aircraft is incorrect........but very very few cases making it a much safer way to travel, better than trains or taxis!!
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 23:52
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Absolutely! come to work, don't let the team down, fill up with sudafed, soldier on and share the love
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 01:29
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Man, you need to get a grip.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 02:23
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Evidence mate, evidence is what you should be looking for. Unlike the WHO.

Where is your evidence that any case was transmitted via an aircraft cabin?
Here (dated April) -

"Unions representing aviation workers, who have complained about the lack of masks and other protective equipment, say hundreds of flight attendants and pilots have tested positive for covid-19, and at least seven have died."

"Their results, published last year, were startling. They found that passengers sitting with a SARS patient in a seven-row section of a Boeing 767 would have a 1-in-3 chance of getting sick from a five-hour flight. On a shorter 737 flight, the risk was 1 in 5."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...a6d_story.html
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 05:00
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Here (dated April) -
Dude, first of all, you are going to have to do better than the Washington Post as evidence. Secondly, in that article, there's 'evidence' on either side of the fence. I also will not accept evidence from the WHO. There are epidemiologists on both sides of the fence at this stage of this (pathetic) argument.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 05:57
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Dude, first of all, you are going to have to do better than the Washington Post as evidence. Secondly, in that article, there's 'evidence' on either side of the fence. I also will not accept evidence from the WHO. There are epidemiologists on both sides of the fence at this stage of this (pathetic) argument.
Are you saying you only agree with evidence that you agree with?
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 06:13
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Dude, first of all, you are going to have to do better than the Washington Post as evidence. Secondly, in that article, there's 'evidence' on either side of the fence. I also will not accept evidence from the WHO. There are epidemiologists on both sides of the fence at this stage of this (pathetic) argument.
Who is a credible source then? Alex Jones?
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 06:20
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
Dude, first of all, you are going to have to do better than the Washington Post as evidence. Secondly, in that article, there's 'evidence' on either side of the fence. I also will not accept evidence from the WHO. There are epidemiologists on both sides of the fence at this stage of this (pathetic) argument.
Um, ok....

Its 25 pages, published, peer reviewed etc etc

"The transmission of airborne infectious diseases, including influenza1, tuberculosis2 , and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)3, has been observed in commercial airliners."

https://engineering.purdue.edu/~yanc...per/2019-9.pdf

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Old 14th Jul 2020, 10:44
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Are you saying you only agree with evidence that you agree with?
Nope.

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