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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:16
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We have entered the twilight zone.

7.8 Billion people none the wiser all we need is Vitamin D.

let me guess 9/11 was an American conspiracy too?
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Time for a reality Check. OK I'm not going to put up material on this sight all you have to do is google, "Does Vit D kill Covid-19".
Even youtube it. Well the WHO and pharmacy companies are starting to pull material on Vit D that doctors post. Reason. No money for them.
As we age our Vit D levels drop. Kids, teenagers, 20 to 70 year olds are pretty much in the sun. The 80,90 year olds
get locked up in age care centres with very little sun. They must supplement. In March the European winter presented low
sun hence low Vit D levels. Likewise USA and NY. They are now in summer and now their cases and deaths are starting to lower.
Starting to get the picture. Now Melbourne has low sun and Vit D levels drop. Hence the spikes. Vit D prevents Cyokine storms. A Cyokine storm
is the reason why Covid-19 kills us. I let you research that in your own time. Oh! by the way, out of all the 500,000 deaths we have not
seen one postmortem result. Well I haven't. Have you. Your certificate will state cause of death Covid-19. I guess the WHO must suppress all this info.

So Gestapo Dan, instead of locking up people how about telling everyone to supplement some Vit D which is a immune system
booster. The graphs will start to go south quicker. Another thing, remember all the beach side councils closed the beaches.
Worst possible action you could do. The more sun the better chances of not getting sick. Where ever you are in the world you need
to get Vit D either via the sun or supplement. Those that catch Covid-19 and get really sick have low immune systems due to a low Vit D levels.
Put it this way. If the sun went out, a cytokine storm would resinate, the human race would become extinct.
I rest my case your honour.
All that bullshit about slipping, slopping and slapping to avoid the sun never made sense to me. However, as Goebbels said, if you tell the same lie often enough people will come to accept it as truth.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:24
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Ok I'II just shut up then sorry for opening my mouth. At least I did my punken research man.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 07:28
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Originally Posted by Manwell View Post
All that bullshit about slipping, slopping and slapping to avoid the sun never made sense to me. However, as Goebbels said, if you tell the same lie often enough people will come to accept it as truth.
Not that I actually disagree with the possibility of this being correct, but what about Brazil then. No real lock-down and I think the sun shines there quite a bit..
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 08:04
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Sunniest place in the world = Yuma

Population = 213,787

Covid 19 deaths = 94 ( translates as 439 per million )

You be the judge...

https://www.endesa.com/en/discover-e...%20per%20year.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/yumacountyarizona

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...U&ceid=AU%3Aen

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...hs-per-million







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Old 1st Jul 2020, 08:19
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
...At least I did my punken research man.
What research? Watching YouTube videos is not research.

I prefer to listen to people who have formed an opinion AFTER doing thorough research. In this case that would be epidemiologists and medical specialists.

I don’t rate people who have an opinion and have simply looked for confirmation of that opinion on the Internet.

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Old 1st Jul 2020, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Time for a reality Check. OK I'm not going to put up material on this sight all you have to do is google, "Does Vit D kill Covid-19".
Even youtube it. Well the WHO and pharmacy companies are starting to pull material on Vit D that doctors post. Reason. No money for them.
So you are saying the WHO and all these other corrupt medical companies aren’t telling the truth re vitamin D because they won’t get enough money. But they would like to see COVID takeover and destroy the worldwide economy and wait for it- they won’t get enough money (because there will be no money). Right....
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 08:45
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Surely this isn't that controversial...its a very definite maybe.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...nfection-and-s

The doctors will (publicly) wait for a randomised double blind controlled study before recommending you take it. Personally I utilise the precautionary principle, if it looks like it might help and has low cost then go for it.

Generally people in hot sunny places avoid the sun. For instance 80% of Qataris are Vitamin D deficient.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 09:00
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Covid-19 continues to demonstrate just how incredible airline pilots really are. They do not merely fly aircraft, no sir. In their spare time, they go on to solve the world's problems -- even the toughest ones such as a global pandemic that has the world's leading health experts confused.

The airline pilot truly is an amazing specimen. Its such a shame that their incredible talents are wasted on such a mundane task.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 09:10
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Originally Posted by directimped View Post
Covid-19 continues to demonstrate just how incredible airline pilots really are. They do not merely fly aircraft, no sir. In their spare time, they go on to solve the world's problems -- even the toughest ones such as a global pandemic that has the world's leading health experts confused.

The airline pilot truly is an amazing specimen. Its such a shame that their incredible talents are wasted on such a mundane task.
All airline pilots are but a youtube video away from expert knowledge on any subject, didn't you know?
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 09:53
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It is also incredible how people who aren’t from aviation come here to participate in aviation people talking.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 09:58
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Before you totally crucify me this is just one of many articles from medical specialists that I have found.
On one Sunday evening I listened to Dr Ross Walker with Justin Smith on (3aw Healthy Living) discussing benefits of Vit D and improved respiratory problems.
Good health to you people let's just get through this. Good Night.


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Vitamin D levels appear to play role in COVID-19 mortality rates

Patients with severe deficiency are twice as likely to experience major complications

Date:May 7, 2020Source:Northwestern UniversitySummary:Researchers analyzed patient data from 10 countries. The team found a correlation between low vitamin D levels and hyperactive immune systems. Vitamin D strengthens innate immunity and prevents overactive immune responses. The finding could explain several mysteries, including why children are unlikely to die from COVID-19.Share:FULL STORY
Doctor, vitamin D concept (stock image).
Credit: © Michail Petrov / stock.adobe.comAfter studying global data from the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, researchers have discovered a strong correlation between severe vitamin D deficiency and mortality rates.

Led by Northwestern University, the research team conducted a statistical analysis of data from hospitals and clinics across China, France, Germany, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, the United Kingdom (UK) and the United States.

The researchers noted that patients from countries with high COVID-19 mortality rates, such as Italy, Spain and the UK, had lower levels of vitamin D compared to patients in countries that were not as severely affected.

This does not mean that everyone -- especially those without a known deficiency -- needs to start hoarding supplements, the researchers caution.

"While I think it is important for people to know that vitamin D deficiency might play a role in mortality, we don't need to push vitamin D on everybody," said Northwestern's Vadim Backman, who led the research. "This needs further study, and I hope our work will stimulate interest in this area. The data also may illuminate the mechanism of mortality, which, if proven, could lead to new therapeutic targets."

The research is available on medRxiv, a preprint server for health sciences.

Backman is the Walter Dill Scott Professor of Biomedical Engineering at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering. Ali Daneshkhah, a postdoctoral research associate in Backman's laboratory, is the paper's first author.

Backman and his team were inspired to examine vitamin D levels after noticing unexplained differences in COVID-19 mortality rates from country to country. Some people hypothesized that differences in healthcare quality, age distributions in population, testing rates or different strains of the coronavirus might be responsible. But Backman remained skeptical.

"None of these factors appears to play a significant role," Backman said. "The healthcare system in northern Italy is one of the best in the world. Differences in mortality exist even if one looks across the same age group. And, while the restrictions on testing do indeed vary, the disparities in mortality still exist even when we looked at countries or populations for which similar testing rates apply.

"Instead, we saw a significant correlation with vitamin D deficiency," he said.

By analyzing publicly available patient data from around the globe, Backman and his team discovered a strong correlation between vitamin D levels and cytokine storm -- a hyperinflammatory condition caused by an overactive immune system -- as well as a correlation between vitamin D deficiency and mortality.

"Cytokine storm can severely damage lungs and lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome and death in patients," Daneshkhah said. "This is what seems to kill a majority of COVID-19 patients, not the destruction of the lungs by the virus itself. It is the complications from the misdirected fire from the immune system."

This is exactly where Backman believes vitamin D plays a major role. Not only does vitamin D enhance our innate immune systems, it also prevents our immune systems from becoming dangerously overactive. This means that having healthy levels of vitamin D could protect patients against severe complications, including death, from COVID-19.

"Our analysis shows that it might be as high as cutting the mortality rate in half," Backman said. "It will not prevent a patient from contracting the virus, but it may reduce complications and prevent death in those who are infected."

Backman said this correlation might help explain the many mysteries surrounding COVID-19, such as why children are less likely to die. Children do not yet have a fully developed acquired immune system, which is the immune system's second line of defense and more likely to overreact.

"Children primarily rely on their innate immune system," Backman said. "This may explain why their mortality rate is lower."

Backman is careful to note that people should not take excessive doses of vitamin D, which might come with negative side effects. He said the subject needs much more research to know how vitamin D could be used most effectively to protect against COVID-19 complications.

"It is hard to say which dose is most beneficial for COVID-19," Backman said. "However, it is clear that vitamin D deficiency is harmful, and it can be easily addressed with appropriate supplementation. This might be another key to helping protect vulnerable populations, such as African-American and elderly patients, who have a prevalence of vitamin D deficiency."

Backman is the director of Northwestern's Center for Physical Genomics and Engineering and the associate director for Research Technology and Infrastructure at the Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center at Northwestern University.
Story Source:

Materials provided by Northwestern University. Original written by Amanda Morris. Note: Content may be edited for style and length.
Journal Reference:
  1. Ali Daneshkhah, Vasundhara Agrawal, Adam Eshein, Hariharan Subramanian, Hemant Kumar Roy, Vadim Backman. The Possible Role of Vitamin D in Suppressing Cytokine Storm and Associated Mortality in COVID-19 Patients. medRxiv, Posted April 30, 2020; [[url=https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20058578v3]link]
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 10:06
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You need to do some research. That’s all sponsored by Big Vit D. Open your eyes people. Just google Big Vit D, they have been suppressing Vit B for years.

Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Before you totally crucify me this is just one of many articles from medical specialists that I have found.
On one Sunday evening I listened to Dr Ross Walker with Justin Smith on (3aw Healthy Living) discussing benefits of Vit D and improved respiratory problems.
Good health to you people let's just get through this. Good Night.


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Vitamin D levels appear to play role in COVID-19 mortality rates

Patients with severe deficiency are twice as likely to experience major complications

Date:May 7, 2020Source:Northwestern UniversitySummary:Researchers analyzed patient data from 10 countries. The team found a correlation between low vitamin D levels and hyperactive immune systems. Vitamin D strengthens innate immunity and prevents overactive immune responses. The finding could explain several mysteries, including why children are unlikely to die from COVID-19.Share:FULL STORY
Doctor, vitamin D concept (stock image).
Credit: © Michail Petrov / stock.adobe.comAfter studying global data from the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, researchers have discovered a strong correlation between severe vitamin D deficiency and mortality rates.

Led by Northwestern University, the research team conducted a statistical analysis of data from hospitals and clinics across China, France, Germany, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, the United Kingdom (UK) and the United States.

The researchers noted that patients from countries with high COVID-19 mortality rates, such as Italy, Spain and the UK, had lower levels of vitamin D compared to patients in countries that were not as severely affected.

This does not mean that everyone -- especially those without a known deficiency -- needs to start hoarding supplements, the researchers caution.

"While I think it is important for people to know that vitamin D deficiency might play a role in mortality, we don't need to push vitamin D on everybody," said Northwestern's Vadim Backman, who led the research. "This needs further study, and I hope our work will stimulate interest in this area. The data also may illuminate the mechanism of mortality, which, if proven, could lead to new therapeutic targets."

The research is available on medRxiv, a preprint server for health sciences.

Backman is the Walter Dill Scott Professor of Biomedical Engineering at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering. Ali Daneshkhah, a postdoctoral research associate in Backman's laboratory, is the paper's first author.

Backman and his team were inspired to examine vitamin D levels after noticing unexplained differences in COVID-19 mortality rates from country to country. Some people hypothesized that differences in healthcare quality, age distributions in population, testing rates or different strains of the coronavirus might be responsible. But Backman remained skeptical.

"None of these factors appears to play a significant role," Backman said. "The healthcare system in northern Italy is one of the best in the world. Differences in mortality exist even if one looks across the same age group. And, while the restrictions on testing do indeed vary, the disparities in mortality still exist even when we looked at countries or populations for which similar testing rates apply.

"Instead, we saw a significant correlation with vitamin D deficiency," he said.

By analyzing publicly available patient data from around the globe, Backman and his team discovered a strong correlation between vitamin D levels and cytokine storm -- a hyperinflammatory condition caused by an overactive immune system -- as well as a correlation between vitamin D deficiency and mortality.

"Cytokine storm can severely damage lungs and lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome and death in patients," Daneshkhah said. "This is what seems to kill a majority of COVID-19 patients, not the destruction of the lungs by the virus itself. It is the complications from the misdirected fire from the immune system."

This is exactly where Backman believes vitamin D plays a major role. Not only does vitamin D enhance our innate immune systems, it also prevents our immune systems from becoming dangerously overactive. This means that having healthy levels of vitamin D could protect patients against severe complications, including death, from COVID-19.

"Our analysis shows that it might be as high as cutting the mortality rate in half," Backman said. "It will not prevent a patient from contracting the virus, but it may reduce complications and prevent death in those who are infected."

Backman said this correlation might help explain the many mysteries surrounding COVID-19, such as why children are less likely to die. Children do not yet have a fully developed acquired immune system, which is the immune system's second line of defense and more likely to overreact.

"Children primarily rely on their innate immune system," Backman said. "This may explain why their mortality rate is lower."

Backman is careful to note that people should not take excessive doses of vitamin D, which might come with negative side effects. He said the subject needs much more research to know how vitamin D could be used most effectively to protect against COVID-19 complications.

"It is hard to say which dose is most beneficial for COVID-19," Backman said. "However, it is clear that vitamin D deficiency is harmful, and it can be easily addressed with appropriate supplementation. This might be another key to helping protect vulnerable populations, such as African-American and elderly patients, who have a prevalence of vitamin D deficiency."

Backman is the director of Northwestern's Center for Physical Genomics and Engineering and the associate director for Research Technology and Infrastructure at the Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center at Northwestern University.
Story Source:

Materials provided by Northwestern University. Original written by Amanda Morris. Note: Content may be edited for style and length.
Journal Reference:
  1. Ali Daneshkhah, Vasundhara Agrawal, Adam Eshein, Hariharan Subramanian, Hemant Kumar Roy, Vadim Backman. The Possible Role of Vitamin D in Suppressing Cytokine Storm and Associated Mortality in COVID-19 Patients. medRxiv, Posted April 30, 2020; [[url=https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20058578v3]link]
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
So you are saying the WHO and all these other corrupt medical companies aren’t telling the truth re vitamin D because they won’t get enough money. But they would like to see COVID takeover and destroy the worldwide economy and wait for it- they won’t get enough money (because there will be no money). Right....
Yes. Truth is stranger than fiction. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I didn't spend a good couple of years verifying it all conclusively. But this is the important point - you shouldn't believe anyone without verifying their argument conclusively. For most people who are kept busy just trying to keep their sanity, the idea of contemplating anything so bizarre would be unthinkable, and that's exactly how it works.
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Yes. Truth is stranger than fiction. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I didn't spend a good couple of years verifying it all conclusively. But this is the important point - you shouldn't believe anyone without verifying their argument conclusively. For most people who are kept busy just trying to keep their sanity, the idea of contemplating anything so bizarre would be unthinkable, and that's exactly how it works.
I know right. People still believe we put a man on the moon and that the world is round. What are they thinking? If only they’d spent a ‘couple of years verifying it all conclusively’ then they’d know its unthinkable and bizarre that we could even leave our atmosphere.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 13:18
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The best conspiracy I heard was from a mate who said the theory of lift was all a con and one day it would all stop. We were somewhere over the bush at FL 170...I think he was joking.
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
I know right. People still believe we put a man on the moon and that the world is round. What are they thinking? If only they’d spent a ‘couple of years verifying it all conclusively’ then they’d know its unthinkable and bizarre that we could even leave our atmosphere.
It must be really frustrating for conspiracy theorists; hours spent crafting the perfect theory, blaming Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Klingons or whatever, then proudly presenting it as if they alone have solved the challenge...

only to have their limelight stolen by another, equally loopy theory in the very next post.

Conspiracy chatrooms must be a real circus. They’ve all done their “research” but they’ve all come up with different answers.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 21:01
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
let me guess 9/11 was an American conspiracy too?
You forgot the moon landings :-)

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Old 6th Jul 2020, 10:38
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ex ABC: Coronavirus spreads through the air as aerosol, 230 scientists write in open

Article link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...id-19/12425852

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Originally Posted by Section28- BE View Post
Everyone in the whole world has played Trivial Pursuit except the members of the WHO.
Remember the question, What bodily fluid travels at 200kph? Flip the card and the answer, A sneeze.
WHO, "No problem the droplets large and small will pull up in 1.49m. f40/auto break max should do the job.
Just make sure you don't sneeze with a downwind component we could all get exposed.

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