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Old 6th Jun 2020, 01:29
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Good point!
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 02:02
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Retirement homes should be locked down, for both the residents and staff protection: isolate and protect the vulnerable.

Backpackers upon entering the retirement home asked to leave immediately, regardless of whether there is lockdown or not. Cleaning precautions taken wherever the backpackers had entered.

Isolate and protect the most vulnerable. Healthy people not subject to isolation or quarantine.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 07:49
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Originally Posted by layman View Post
IBE8720

You wrote:
“Mortality rates around the World are generally stable at yearly averages.”

Are you able to provide a source to support this?
I did. My regions funeral home reporting a 30% drop in business during the deadliest virus to consume the World in nearly 100 years. But let's keep it closer to home.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics is another source.

But you could even just rely on the people with the highest integrity and social conscience of any profession, The Media. Even they are only reporting 102 deaths over 4 months. Hardly a spike.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 08:17
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng View Post
The moron in QLD, wants to see two incubation periods with zero cases before she opens the border to NSW.. She and her medical advisor are two of the dumbest people in Australia. She has been an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment to Australia.
Brilliant! Thank you for venting on my behalf 👏
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 08:35
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The reality check is simple: 460 active cases across ALL of Australia. 21 in hospital, 4 in ICU.

I think we can manage any “flare up” now - all eyes are on it.

There is NO medical/scientific reason NOT to open it all up domestically - the medical facilities can cope - there is no curve to flatten any longer.

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Old 6th Jun 2020, 08:40
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
I did. My regions funeral home reporting a 30% drop in business during the deadliest virus to consume the World in nearly 100 years. But let's keep it closer to home.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics is another source.

But you could even just rely on the people with the highest integrity and social conscience of any profession, The Media. Even they are only reporting 102 deaths over 4 months. Hardly a spike.
Have a look at the link I posted above.

30,940 excess deaths reported in Spain, where you are.

Now this. Two plane loads plus a heap of others in isolation. Its not over yet, unfortunately.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...alert/12309468
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 09:33
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After today’s protests, social distancing is all elementary now surely? Or is coronavirus back from virtue signalling leave tomorrow?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 09:36
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post

30,940 excess deaths reported in Spain, where you are.
https://mises.org/wire/march-us-deat...ent-all-deaths
The linked article states there is no way to tell if there has or has not been a spike in deaths. It also references that deaths attributed to Flu or Pneumonia May have been wrong in the past.

Currawong, considering Spain has only had 27,134 deaths, your quote of over 30,000 excess deaths shows how much utter BULLSH1T and misinformation is being sprouted


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Old 6th Jun 2020, 10:56
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ONLY 27000 deaths???? Nothing to worry about then.. let’s all go for a holiday 😷😷
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 12:06
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Not sure I’d rely on any analysis from Mises.

The figures on the CDC site show a 6 week period when excess deaths were 10-25% above average with 2 of those weeks being 26-50% above average. A few more than the 2% in the Mises analysis
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

And I also tend to think ‘around the world’ applies to more than one funeral home and to more than just Australia, or NZ for that matter.

Results have been very good here. A ‘what if’ analysis suggested the USA could have reduced their death toll by more than 36,000 if they had implemented social distancing one week earlier.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/u...ng-deaths.html

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Old 7th Jun 2020, 00:36
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
https://mises.org/wire/march-us-deat...ent-all-deaths
The linked article states there is no way to tell if there has or has not been a spike in deaths. It also references that deaths attributed to Flu or Pneumonia May have been wrong in the past.

Currawong, considering Spain has only had 27,134 deaths, your quote of over 30,000 excess deaths shows how much utter BULLSH1T and misinformation is being sprouted
Referencing a Blog quoting information from March? Yeah, trusted source....

The US did not even rate in March, their rate has increased tenfold since then.

Here is another bogus link for you to debunk -

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...t&country=~USA

27,134 or 30,940? Lets just say tens of thousands then, at its peak over 900 per day. Spain, that is.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...t&country=~ESP

Have a good one. Hope those that need to can get back to work soon.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 07:09
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After today’s protests, social distancing is all elementary now surely? Or is coronavirus back from virtue signalling leave tomorrow?
Beautifully said Sir.

I still can't understand why we don't totally ruin the worlds economy for the flu? It's estimated to kill north of 400,000 per year and the vaccine is less than 50% effective
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:21
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
FM Magpie!
Your own source of graphs you presented as evidence only shows a peak death rate of 615 on the 25th of May.

Yet you claim 900 per day everyday for 31 days which cover Not for the entire length that the pandemic has been affecting Spain which is 5 months.

Another source, El Pais state a peak deaths on the 2nd of April. Also stating that the same week, there were over 20,000 excess deaths due to COVI19 between 30 March and Apr 5.

So which source should I believe? Your's and the ABC which claim an excess death rate GRETAER that the actual number of deaths? A Spanish newspaper with even more inflated and wild claims?

In 2018, 1,300 people died EVERYDAY in Spain. It increased in 2019.

YOUR OWN graph contradicts your viewpoint.
And only further proves the inaccuracy, false and mislesding reporting of this crisis.

DEBUNKED.
Guessing that was for me?

Look again. You are confusing deaths per million with deaths per day.

Here are deaths per day -

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/d...e?country=~ESP

Here are deaths per million -

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...t&country=~ESP

Debunked? Not.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 09:23
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The reporting of the protests/riots from the flaming dumpster that is CNN/NBC/CBS/ABC has proven once and for all that it was a media generated crisis. If CV19 was too dangerous to go to church, it sure as hell is too dangerous to walk the streets arm in arm with fellow skinny jeans wearing social justice warriors in man buns shouting curses at police officers.

We've been had..again..how stupid are we!
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 23:21
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Honest question - what should the premiers/prime minister have done regards the rallies??

Unfortunately democracy infers little use of military force domestically, one judge said "no rallies" another on appeal said "well no, they have rights..." or whatever.

SO once again - how should have the political leaders reacted??
RIot police?? Rubber bullets/real bullets?? Military intervention?? Tanks?? Kill a few dozen to prove who's boss??

Honest question.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 23:26
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Fine each organiser 1 million.
After all the restrictions Governments have placed in the name of Covid, their response to the rallies was weak!
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 23:36
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Blockading parts of the city, anyone with signs, no legitimate reason to be in an area barred, arrest the first ones there and word spreads quickly, designate areas as prohibited and make it known they’ll collect phone numbers of those within that area, order Facebook to take down event pages and block organisers using the site.

Simply make it as difficult as possible to attend.

At least we all know the public health orders are toothless. Call your wedding a protest and you can have as many people as you like.

The state throwing its arms up is the surest way to anarchy because once they know they can get away with it you need to double the force next time.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 00:10
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SO once again - how should have the political leaders reacted??
Shut down the public transport system.

Shutting down the public transport system would not have worried me as I was intending to do work around home and reflect on the number of people who were not able to attend a funeral of a relative last week.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 00:27
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I agree not much they could do faced by 1000's protestors. So now we wait 2 to 3 weeks for the incubation period to pass, and if there is a spike in Covid cases they have caused probably another lockdown or at least an extension to what it could have been. If there is not then as far as I'm concerned the danger has passed and it is back to work for everyone. Fairly irresponsible by the leaders of the protests in my view though I do agree with their cause.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 00:44
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If there is not then as far as I'm concerned the danger has passed and it is back to work for everyone.
This. Governments around Australia have made a rod for their own backs, unless we see a massive spike in cases in the next few weeks, they will have no reason to continue with restrictions. And any punishments handed out for breaching any of the COVID restrictions from now on surely won’t be enforceable, considering the precedent set.
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