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Old 16th May 2020, 11:48
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I love it
protect your love ones as best you can and good luck to you., full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes or icebergs.
What you want is what GB and America have pretty much done/doing, over 100,000 dead between them and the economy stuffed and it is not over yet. I think you should so a bit more research on Sweden before holding it up as a beacon of hope. What you have got is the economy stuffed but probably no one you know who has been hurt by the virus.
You can have one or the other, seems you have made your choice.We disagree but that is what makes PPRuNe fun!
And on that point it was a shame for us all that aviation has taken a big one for the team, but after all we spread it across the world in record time.
And if it helps I got retrenched because of Covid (well that was the main reason given at the time) but I support what we have had to do, particularly when we still don’t know the end game.
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Old 16th May 2020, 11:49
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Rather than getting so over excited about these numbers, look at how many people sadly die from traffic accidents, industrial accidents, terminal disease, old age, violent crime etc etc etc. everyday.

To trash global economies for COVID19 is totally wrong, and we will all be paying for it financially and socially for decades to come. Millions of people are now already out of work. Mass redundancies sends mental health issues through the roof, then put domestic violence etc etc into the mix, and we now have a God awful outlook for ages to come..

I truly hope I am wrong for all our sakes...
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Old 16th May 2020, 11:53
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This for perspective, from neither CNN or Channel 9 -

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/com...e9ace1719ee67a

Extrapolate the fine line between Sweden and Australia regards measures taken.

That difference meant Sweden has a fatality rate 100 times that of Australia.

Over done? Don't think so. Short term? Hopefully.

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Old 16th May 2020, 12:10
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Australia couldn't be trusted with the Swedish approach, wouldn't have worked here.

We survived the GFC because of :
-Immigration
-Massive one off increase in iron ore exports
-Government spending

This time around we only have one of those options for the medium term future. At very low interest rates already.

I don't think it matters how quick a recovery is, we are in for some lean years ahead.
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:36
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The OP is spot on. The whole thing has exploded out of proportion, fuelled by the media and the likes of Bill Gates and Big Pharma rubbing their hands at the thought of injecting everyone.

The mistake clearly is in the data. With and of Covid-19 are quite obviously not the same. Yet that is exactly what is happening.

And in the hype and hysteria governments worldwide have trashed economies and put thousands out of work, particularly in our industry. Obviously it is sad when people die but the majority were ill already and on their way out. Covid-19 may have brought forward their death date but their time was up. And in an attempt to save the life of an 80 year old, perhaps for an extra six months, those in their twenties begin their working lives with poor or non existent job prospects.

Looking at some KLM flight prices for next week it seems their flights are full, £600 ish one way UK to Amsterdam, so demand is definitely there for flying.
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:37
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
Really, more than 300.000 dead so far is blown out of proportion.....oooookkkkkk.
One person brings it into a meatworks and 100 people get it.....ooooookkkkkk
If it gets into an old folks home it cleans them out but thatís overblown......ooooookkkkk
2 choices in this
Close the borders, destroy the economy, relatively low deaths rate.
donít close the borders, destroy the economy, pretty impressive death rates.
Maybe America is better for you BW

But an interesting question would be did the Tiger and Vanz crews get retrenched because of Covid or just with it?
650000 people die of flu and 800000 people die of malaria every year. Not to mention a few tens of millions due to poverty.

the world has lost all perspective. Imagine how many lives all the lost economic production could have saved? A study on the U.K. has shown for us, every 1% drop in employment equals 8000 extra suicides.

we know who the vulnerable are. It ainít the working aged people!
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:37
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
Really, more than 300.000 dead so far is blown out of proportion.....oooookkkkkk.
One person brings it into a meatworks and 100 people get it.....ooooookkkkkk
If it gets into an old folks home it cleans them out but thatís overblown......ooooookkkkk
2 choices in this
Close the borders, destroy the economy, relatively low deaths rate.
donít close the borders, destroy the economy, pretty impressive death rates.
Maybe America is better for you BW

But an interesting question would be did the Tiger and Vanz crews get retrenched because of Covid or just with it?
Just with it.
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:38
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Australia survived the GFC because we DID NOT have a banking or Real Estate crisis and we continued selling our rocks to the world.

This is an entirely different beast.

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Old 16th May 2020, 12:43
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Italy agrees with me

Originally Posted by currawong View Post
This for perspective, from neither CNN or Channel 9 -

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/com...e9ace1719ee67a

Extrapolate the fine line between Sweden and Australia regards measures taken.

That difference meant Sweden has a fatality rate 100 times that of Australia.

Over done? Don't think so. Short term? Hopefully.
The W.H.O disagrees with you.
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/who...noring-sweden/

And Italy agree with me
https://www.ft.com/content/967e7168-...a-a1440e512b5a
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/who...noring-sweden/
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:49
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
I love it
protect your love ones as best you can and good luck to you., full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes or icebergs.
What you want is what GB and America have pretty much done/doing, over 100,000 dead between them and the economy stuffed and it is not over yet. I think you should so a bit more research on Sweden before holding it up as a beacon of hope. What you have got is the economy stuffed but probably no one you know who has been hurt by the virus.
You can have one or the other, seems you have made your choice.We disagree but that is what makes PPRuNe fun!
And on that point it was a shame for us all that aviation has taken a big one for the team, but after all we spread it across the world in record time.
And if it helps I got retrenched because of Covid (well that was the main reason given at the time) but I support what we have had to do, particularly when we still donít know the end game.

You watch WAY too much Commie News Network. This has been the Lefts wet dream here in the US, and CNN promotes it. They think Fauci and Scarf Queen are Gods and should be bowed down too....do any amount of research on Fauci...he is NOT the Ďman for the jobí.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:00
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I donít watch any CNN. I donít need to do any research on Fauci either I can see what I need to know through the ever increasing death toll.
I feel safe in my knowledge when people who disagree start trotting out the loony conspiracy theories. My fav tonight is the one about it being companies getting rich on making us all have injection when there is no known vaccine for any Covid yet so what exactly are they selling? The only thing that scares me is some of you might be in a cockpit with me wearing your tin foil.
To put it another way one company is going to destroy the world economy and thousands of other companies and create mass unemployment to sell their product and become the richest company in a decimated world......ooooookkkkkk.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:12
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
I donít watch any CNN. I donít need to do any research on Fauci either I can see what I need to know through the ever increasing death toll.
I feel safe in my knowledge when people who disagree start trotting out the loony conspiracy theories. My fav tonight is the one about it being companies getting rich on making us all have injection when there is no known vaccine for any Covid yet so what exactly are they selling? The only thing that scares me is some of you might be in a cockpit with me wearing your tin foil.
To put it another way one company is going to destroy the world economy and thousands of other companies and create mass unemployment to sell their product and become the richest company in a decimated world......ooooookkkkkk.
hear, hear
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:12
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I rest my case...
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:21
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V- Jet,

"Australia survived the GFC because we DID NOT have a banking or Real Estate crisis and we continued selling our rocks to the world.

This is an entirely different beast."


Agreed this is MUCH worse. The banking / real estate sectors would have been the crisis though, if the economy wasn't supported by those three factors.

Anyway, it matters little now as the damage has been done sadly. And all we have is Government spending.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:21
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I’m 100% with the OP.

It says a lot that those who disagree carry on like pork chops about how he shouldn’t even be able to express that opinion.
”Oh, how PPRuNe used to be about considered opinions” blah blah.
That’s just lefty code for trying to shut down anything you don’t agree with.

How about you make a better argument instead of trying to silence anything you don’t like.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:25
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The entire political spectrum in Australia is in agreement that this situation is worthy of the measures taken in regards to COVID 19.

I donít think a handful of ding bats on PPRuNe are going to change the national conversation.

I started off thinking this was Ďjust a fluí too. But I put my bias to the side, sought the facts (from reputable sources) and realised how wrong I was.


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Old 16th May 2020, 13:26
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Originally Posted by IBE8720 View Post
Some of guys need to get out of the Shire, and stop relying on Channel 9 and CNN for your news.
The only impediment to travel returning to normal are the Governments of the World.

Germany are opening their borders. Firstly with Austria, but have said they will be open for EU and Schengen countries for Summer.
Greece will be open for the Summer holiday season.
Italy have set up beaches to comply with Social Distancing measures, for summer.
Spain has introduced a 14 day quarantine period for arrivals. The quarantine period applies from the 15th till 24th of May only. So if you arrive on the 24th, you go into quarantine. Arrive 25th, straight to the beach.
England has imposed restrictions, with exemptions.
Carnival Cruise Line (everyone's favourite floating petri dish) reopened booking from the 1st of August. Demand is up 600% on this time last year.
The Business World is screaming to be allowed to travel again.

Just to name a few. As soon as restictions are lifted, people are going to travel for the sake of travelling. An airline in America is reporting strong demand as people just travel to visit family. Jobless, debt, wont be a deterrent. Another few $k on the credit card will not even be an after thought.

The media is doing more damage than the virus itself. And it feeds the uneducated massess in overhyped hysteria.
This morning's story CNN is that there are not enough syringes to vaccinate people if a vaccine was available. Considering that the same outlet has been stating for months that a vaccine is 12-18 months away, who cares about syringes right now. If you look into it a bit more, you will see that the US Govenrment took steps in January to obtain 100's of Millions more syringes. Just a beat up story for the sake of a story to promote an agenda.

2 weeks ago the worst was still to come for England. Now all of a sudden, things are improving and it is time to get back to work. Bu11sh1t!

There are other examples of inadequate or flawed testing policy. The death figures are skewed towards making COVID-19 worse than it is.

How many of you actually know someone who has or has had the virus? Only 700 people in Australia currently have the virus. 43% of ALL deaths have come from 2 sources, The Ruby Princess and the Nursing home in Western Sydney.

And for all that, people think the Governments response of have hearted shut down (it wasn't even a proper or effective shutdown) of the country that has financially grippled Australia for 1 or 2 Generations is a reasonable action.
We are now just destroying the World for no tangible benefit.
SPOT [email protected] ON! Hopeless stupidity has taken this world circus down.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:29
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
The entire political spectrum in Australia is in agreement that this situation is worthy of the measures taken in regards to COVID 19.

I don’t think a handful of ding bats on PPRuNe are going to change the national conversation.

I started off thinking this was ‘just a flu’ too. But I put my bias to the side, sought the facts (from reputable sources) and realised how wrong I was.
Of course it's not. And go right ahead and believe whatever you want mate. While the plebes have been left jobless the rich has picked up their remains and will capitalize on it. Good on them!. So, yeah, just don't come screaming, bitching and moaning about help from the government that has served you so well and made these great right choices for you. The jokes on you. Will you ever realize this - my guess is probably not.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:42
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Originally Posted by rcoight View Post
Iím 100% with the OP.

It says a lot that those who disagree carry on like pork chops about how he shouldnít even be able to express that opinion.
ĒOh, how PPRuNe used to be about considered opinionsĒ blah blah.
Thatís just lefty code for trying to shut down anything you donít agree with.

How about you make a better argument instead of trying to silence anything you donít like.
Calling everything you disagree with 'lefty' is the exact same is w.anker code for trying to shutdown anything you don't agree with.
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Old 16th May 2020, 13:43
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Each forecast at this stage only reflects the perspective of its author. As of today, we simply don't have enough reliable data to know what exactly is going to happen in a couple of months. It might get worse before it gets better, it might already be past the worst phase, it might get better quicker or slower than analyst X has predicted. There may or may not be a treatment or vaccine (relatively) soon, it may or may not be available en masse, the virus may or may not self-limit and die out, it may or may not be back one day, in a safer or a more dangerous form. We've got so many unknowns that any forecast, good or bad, might be dead in the water in two month's time.

For now, we're not in the most optimistic scenario, but not in the worst-case one either. At least within Europe, borders will not be sealed off until next year, it appears. As for long-haul travel, time will tell when and at what scale that will become available. Customer behaviour will depend on the state of economy and on a sufficient number of travellers leading by personal example in the beginning. I.e. even when someone is scared to travel, seeing others from their peer group go somewhere and return safe and full of memories will do wonders. How exactly that's going to play out remains to be seen.
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