Virgin 2.0 to swap A330s and B777s for Boing 787s
Air NZ made no mention of starting anything except Tasman in their Webinar yesterday. Even Pacific is on hold due to the lack of medical facilities in those countries.
You Aussies need to stop dreaming and start listening. Your revered Prime Minister has said "no international until after Christmas".
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Big paint brush saying 320 represents what Australians think. My opinion is we won’t see any international outside the Tasman for 18 months minimum other than VERY limited services mostly for medical supplies with a few pax chucked in. Tasman is months away too, the states aren’t even close to opening their borders.
I have great fears for the states, that really is years away and therefore Canada by default.
I have great fears for the states, that really is years away and therefore Canada by default.
Big paint brush saying 320 represents what Australians think. My opinion is we won’t see any international outside the Tasman for 18 months minimum other than VERY limited services mostly for medical supplies with a few pax chucked in. Tasman is months away too, the states aren’t even close to opening their borders.
I have great fears for the states, that really is years away and therefore Canada by default.
I have great fears for the states, that really is years away and therefore Canada by default.
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There has been nothing in the NZ news about Air NZ restarting any international at all for the foreseeable future and, in fact, Saint Jacinda has made it clear that the border is closed until the end of the year (with the possible exception of Tasman).
Air NZ made no mention of starting anything except Tasman in their Webinar yesterday. Even Pacific is on hold due to the lack of medical facilities in those countries.
You Aussies need to stop dreaming and start listening. Your revered Prime Minister has said "no international until after Christmas.
Air NZ made no mention of starting anything except Tasman in their Webinar yesterday. Even Pacific is on hold due to the lack of medical facilities in those countries.
You Aussies need to stop dreaming and start listening. Your revered Prime Minister has said "no international until after Christmas.
You'd think anyone & everyone posting on here would be talking it up. Look at real estate ... it's stuffed as an investment, but every real estate agent in the country is saying it's not & so is media, cos billions are spent on real estate advertising in Australia every year.
The more people holiday at home, the more jobs will be re-created. It's really that simple. Who ever takes what a pollie says as gospel.
Surprise, "tomorrow"(whenever that is) it will be something like, you've all be so good in Qld with only 6 deaths, we'll reopen the borders.
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yes it will probably be a month before TT flights resume on a regular basis. NZ is talking about YVR to start soon, so you'll be able to fly Australia/AKL/YVR in couple of months & maybe SFO & LAX month after that. It should be noted that flights within USA have not been restricted at all, just less flights, but some are rather full. Announcements about having to wear masks, but these are not being enforced.
So my bets for regular passenger flights (without any quarantine) are:-
OZ domestic - 1 JUNE or maybe intrastate only ?
TT-1 JULY
CANADA-1 AUGUST
USA-1SEPT
What dates are you all betting on ?
So my bets for regular passenger flights (without any quarantine) are:-
OZ domestic - 1 JUNE or maybe intrastate only ?
TT-1 JULY
CANADA-1 AUGUST
USA-1SEPT
What dates are you all betting on ?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12332155
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says any transtasman travel agreement will not happen quickly and is more than "weeks" away.
Ardern said she could not put a timeframe on when travel to Australia might resume - but warned "it won't be weeks" - it would be longer.
She said she did not want travel to and from Australia to endanger the very low rates of the virus in New Zealand.
However, Flight Centre founder and CEO Graham Turner, said on Friday morning international travel between Australia and New Zealand could be July.
I think I've identified BNEA320 - he is Graham Turner from Flight Centre
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says any transtasman travel agreement will not happen quickly and is more than "weeks" away.
Ardern said she could not put a timeframe on when travel to Australia might resume - but warned "it won't be weeks" - it would be longer.
She said she did not want travel to and from Australia to endanger the very low rates of the virus in New Zealand.
However, Flight Centre founder and CEO Graham Turner, said on Friday morning international travel between Australia and New Zealand could be July.
I think I've identified BNEA320 - he is Graham Turner from Flight Centre
You have to define what a restart is, because australia <-> Us flights never stopped. American and united have been running daily flights. Singapore have been running daily as well. Qatar have been running twice daily to some aus capital to doha. International flights never stopped they just massively decreased
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12332155
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says any transtasman travel agreement will not happen quickly and is more than "weeks" away.
Ardern said she could not put a timeframe on when travel to Australia might resume - but warned "it won't be weeks" - it would be longer.
She said she did not want travel to and from Australia to endanger the very low rates of the virus in New Zealand.
However, Flight Centre founder and CEO Graham Turner, said on Friday morning international travel between Australia and New Zealand could be July.
I think I've identified BNEA320 - he is Graham Turner from Flight Centre
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says any transtasman travel agreement will not happen quickly and is more than "weeks" away.
Ardern said she could not put a timeframe on when travel to Australia might resume - but warned "it won't be weeks" - it would be longer.
She said she did not want travel to and from Australia to endanger the very low rates of the virus in New Zealand.
However, Flight Centre founder and CEO Graham Turner, said on Friday morning international travel between Australia and New Zealand could be July.
I think I've identified BNEA320 - he is Graham Turner from Flight Centre
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You have to define what a restart is, because australia <-> Us flights never stopped. American and united have been running daily flights. Singapore have been running daily as well. Qatar have been running twice daily to some aus capital to doha. International flights never stopped they just massively decreased
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
You have to define what a restart is, because australia <-> Us flights never stopped. American and united have been running daily flights. Singapore have been running daily as well. Qatar have been running twice daily to some aus capital to doha. International flights never stopped they just massively decreased
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
It will be when changes to quarrantine happens, they will respond to demand and inrease flights if needed
Aside from the QF/VA operating the government subsidised once-weekly LAX repatriation charters, it's only UA doing the regular scheduled Australia-USA non-stops atm (The sole route being SYD-SFO which is mostly empty pax-wise, carrying mostly freight).
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Airports are still quiet, but people are flying....
Yes, but they won’t be flying to Aus or NZ on QA,VA or NZ aircraft be they 777 or whatever the media is trying to speculate on for VA. That is what I meant by my concern for the US. It seems America is going to let covid rip across the country so I can’t see down under opening up any boarders to our Seppo mates in the next 12-18 months minimum. The media in Oz have been digging up some old plans to replace their 777s. I can’t see what Virgin Australia are going to do with their 777 Now let alone think about replacing them.
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I guess it could depend on what the remaining prospective buyers have in mind. We all know international flying will be a long time coming back to anywhere near pre-covid days.
So, despite the 777s being owned, can they justify hanging on to them 'just in case" OS flying opens up?
Keep them in mothballs indefinitely hoping for an improved market, try to sell them soon at fire sale prices into what must be a massively over supplied used airframe market, or hang and sell upon some recovery?
None are ideal by any stretch.
Like most in the industry I think domestic flying should kick off much sooner than OS flying in any scale.
Are new owners interested in OS flying at all? Is a south Pacific bubble really viable and can that justify keeping the 777s to compete with Air NZ and Qantas?
A lot of crystal ball stuff that's beyond me.
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Many large corporate contracts Virgin have require USA travel. A large chunk of the corporate revenue will go if they drop USA. They were approaching 40% Corp share (growing, QF falling, does not get a mention anywhere) here so it’s largely a big hit to the bottom line that also then flows to domestic, should they axe the states. Pretty vital piece of the puzzle.
New Zealand is the cash burner and not so reliant on Corp traffic.
777 fleet is 80% owned. One can go, some heavy checks can probably take place forward to burn time.
New Zealand is the cash burner and not so reliant on Corp traffic.
777 fleet is 80% owned. One can go, some heavy checks can probably take place forward to burn time.
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If the Administrators can get the Financial institutions who have loaned money against the B777's to take a haircut then yes they will own them. No real secondary market in wide-bodies right now with Leasing companies offering refinancing at low numbers on the dollar. Not a time to sell them really if they can avoid it. USA won't open up for a long time to Australia though so no where to fly them except on freight operations. As for bringing forward the Heavy maintenance that is the last thing you want to do for cash flow purposes. Every time you open a 12 year aircraft up in a C Check you can expect some nasty surprises. I am sure the Administrator doesn't want to deal with that.... Once they are right to operate to the USA though they may be too big for purpose. Let's hope that this COVID issue comes to an end and things can start to get back to 80% of what was happening before by late next year. I don't like the chances though.