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Rex Expanding Into Jets

Old 13th May 2020, 10:24
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What demand is there going to be in Aus?
There might be demand from the locals both sides of the pond but there won’t be any other tourists to fill the seats from overseas that there used to be. I guess then if they do venture in all the airlines can easily do social distancing. The Trans Tasman will be good for that as everyone weighs in.
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Old 13th May 2020, 10:28
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Originally Posted by chookcooker View Post
says the person who has stated he’s happy for qantas to get government assistance even though virgin didn’t

Interesting, so you would be happy to tip your own money in a business that runs at a loss?
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Old 13th May 2020, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Interesting, so you would be happy to tip your own money in a business that runs at a loss?
yes I’m sure your double standards are purely about ROI
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Old 13th May 2020, 10:36
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Everyone is putting money into Qantas at the moment and it’s making a loss?
And you have to admire how they are getting everyone to burn up their leave and use jobkeeper to pay for it, brilliant.
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Old 13th May 2020, 10:51
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Gday Oz. Using leave is a choice. I’m not using any leave, and getting job keeper, so for me at least QF isn’t using Jobkeeper to pay for it. If someone in virgin is using leave, do virgin pay Jobkeeper on top? If so, that’s a pretty good deal.
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Old 13th May 2020, 10:55
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates View Post
Gday Oz. Using leave is a choice. I’m not using any leave, and getting job keeper, so for me at least QF isn’t using Jobkeeper to pay for it. If someone in virgin is using leave, do virgin pay Jobkeeper on top? If so, that’s a pretty good deal.
that’s good to hear, people here we’re saying QF we’re only passing it on if leave was taking which sounded farked.
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Old 13th May 2020, 11:07
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Hi Chad, everyone else in their area. It isn’t a choice for them. I don’t know the VA story on this, it may be the same.

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Old 13th May 2020, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Pundit View Post
September would be tight even with CASA assistance to get the jets on the AOC.
CASA don’t “assist” the operator. CASA are the Regulator and their role is to ensure that an Operator meets the regulations and standards as set out in the Civil Aviation Act. They audit, inspect and give the final approvals. The Operator does all the work, CASA just tick that all the boxes have been filled out correctly. But you probably didn’t know that pundit as you only fly kites and listen to aircraft calls on your radio
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Old 13th May 2020, 13:14
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
I thought this thread was about Rex?

You’re absolutely right. Must be as it seems every other thread is about VA, I got mixed up. Apologies .
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Old 13th May 2020, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
You don’t really seem to know very much do you? You say “I think” and “I’m pretty sure”. That hardly provides any merit of confidence in your actual understanding or your comments on the matter. Maybe you “think” and are “pretty sure” that the tooth fairy is real also?
And you said this regarding REX;

“It doesn't go anywhere people actually live, or interstate”.

Really? Aren’t they based in NSW? Don’t they fly also in QLD, SA, WA and VIC. And to places such as Cairns, Townsville and Brisbane? I would hardly call that ‘not flying interstate’ or ‘not going to where people actually live’!

Bud, I don’t think you are well. Please have a good rest, take in some imagine take some lithium pills.
Wow, you don't like your buttons being pushed do you? Ever heard of sarcasm? Did I hit a nerve in the other thread? My comments re their routes were about their BNE base. Their QLD ops are protected and subsidised by the QLD government. They can fly around practically empty if necessary. They don't have to compete in QLD. They don't run between the major population centres. They are not stupid enough to take on QF, QLink et al.

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Old 13th May 2020, 19:15
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With Virgin you have a choice for jobkeeper. You can burn Annual/Long Service leave at up to 50% per roster (ie up to14 days in 28) and the company credits you $1500 (jobkeeper) worth of leave. So for example as a Captain to be paid 14 days of Annual / Long Service leave in a roster only about 11.7 days of leave (ie 14 - whatever $1500 works out to be worth in days paid) is debited against your leave total OR burn no leave and just take the straight $1500 jobkeeper (minus tax of course).
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Old 13th May 2020, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
My comments re their routes were about their BNE base. Their QLD ops are protected and subsidised by the QLD government. They can fly around practically empty if necessary. They don't have to compete in QLD. They don't run between the major population centres. They are not stupid enough to take on QF, QLink et al.
Why didn’t you say that in the first place? Yes of course, that’s right, because you spoke without knowledge and then after getting called out you had to go away and do your research and then come back and articulate yourself whilst also covering yourself. And then after all of that, you tell us stuff that we’ve already known for several years! Where have you been all this time - Siberia, Prison, the Antarctic, a coma??

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Old 14th May 2020, 01:56
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Originally Posted by slice View Post
With Virgin you have a choice for jobkeeper. You can burn Annual/Long Service leave at up to 50% per roster (ie up to14 days in 28) and the company credits you $1500 (jobkeeper) worth of leave. So for example as a Captain to be paid 14 days of Annual / Long Service leave in a roster only about 11.7 days of leave (ie 14 - whatever $1500 works out to be worth in days paid) is debited against your leave total OR burn no leave and just take the straight $1500 jobkeeper (minus tax of course).
That just about gets equal top points for non sequitur of the week.
Can you, chookcooker and ozbiggles PLEASE either stay on thread or p!ss off to one of the other 8 or so threads applicable to VA & QF and keep this clear for those wishing to engage in rational (or even irrational) discussion about R. E. X.
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Old 14th May 2020, 02:18
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
CASA don’t “assist” the operator. CASA are the Regulator and their role is to ensure that an Operator meets the regulations and standards as set out in the Civil Aviation Act. They audit, inspect and give the final approvals. The Operator does all the work, CASA just tick that all the boxes have been filled out correctly.
Indeed CASA provides no assistance in the AOC application process; more like they drag it out by having a caste of thousands peruse every statement in every document submitted. This perusal goes well beyond mere ticking of boxes, with individuals within CASA rejecting words, paragraphs and chapters in order that their own 'pet' versions be incorporated.
Having been involved in a start-up high capacity jet AOC where we were careful to cross reference everything against the regulations, it still took a team of us 8 months to get the paperwork passed. Fortunately, we got through with just one proving flight. Then CASA wised up and made other even better resourced applicants who followed do several proving flights.
REX is starting with some advantage in that they have an AOC, so this would be a variation application, but even so it is quite likely that CASA will drag out any approval to next year. A September 2020 start date would be highly fanciful, Christmas 2020 would be barely feasible if the application was made next month with manual suite attached, postholders nominated and aircraft identified by serial number.
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Old 14th May 2020, 02:35
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli View Post
Indeed CASA provides no assistance in the AOC application process; more like they drag it out by having a caste of thousands peruse every statement in every document submitted. This perusal goes well beyond mere ticking of boxes, with individuals within CASA rejecting words, paragraphs and chapters in order that their own 'pet' versions be incorporated.
Having been involved in a start-up high capacity jet AOC where we were careful to cross reference everything against the regulations, it still took a team of us 8 months to get the paperwork passed. Fortunately, we got through with just one proving flight. Then CASA wised up and made other even better resourced applicants who followed do several proving flights.
REX is starting with some advantage in that they have an AOC, so this would be a variation application, but even so it is quite likely that CASA will drag out any approval to next year. A September 2020 start date would be highly fanciful, Christmas 2020 would be barely feasible if the application was made next month with manual suite attached, postholders nominated and aircraft identified by serial number.
And the favourite CASA chestnut is the use and definition of the word ‘intent’ (Lead Balloon should be along shortly, he loves the legal jargon). I can only picture you Mach, diligently writing manuals and procedures, cross checking them against the Regs only to be trumped by CASA when they decide to apply their own version of intent to whatever you have submitted. I feel your pain my friend.

Regardless, REX will get a couple of free goals due to who is managing the ‘sharp end’ of their company. Would just be nice to see pilots flying and aircraft burning Avgas and Jet A1 again.


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Old 14th May 2020, 02:35
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Will their FMS pass muster under the current arrangements? They made alot of noise about moving off CAO 48 at the time with protests, alot of political noise and pressure on the regulator.
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Old 14th May 2020, 03:17
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Will their FMS pass muster under the current arrangements? They made alot of noise about moving off CAO 48 at the time with protests, alot of political noise and pressure on the regulator.
Haha what FMS?!?! They realised it wouldn't work with current rostering of min rest overnights and never changed.
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Old 14th May 2020, 03:28
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So they are going to operate domestic jets with no FMS?? I feel some unexpected delays to the AOC coming their way............
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Old 14th May 2020, 04:51
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CASA have quietly moved the implementation of CAO48.1 to April next year because of corona so for the moment Rex don't have to worry about FRMS.
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Old 14th May 2020, 05:28
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
CASA have quietly moved the implementation of CAO48.1 to April next year because of corona so for the moment Rex don't have to worry about FRMS.
How many times has CASA deferred it now!?

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