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Old 21st Aug 2020, 08:46
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"Virgin Australia's rebel bondholders bail out, leaving Bain Capital to take control" https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...-takes-control

"Virgin Australia bondholders withdraw plans for proposal to rival Bain Capital deal" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKBN25H0N1

Story linked above is paywalled, these ones are free.
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So now come Aug 25 deloittes will reveal how much Bain has paid for the airline.
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Virgin standoff ‘bid for money’

The stoush between Virgin Australia’s new owner and bondholders has taken an ugly twist as accusations fly.

This should make interesting reading in todays paper.
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Virgin standoff ‘bid for money’

The stoush between Virgin Australia’s new owner and bondholders has taken an ugly twist as accusations fly.

This should make interesting reading in todays paper.
Basically reads like Broad Peak and Tor we’re prepared to hang the other bondholders out to dry as long as they got more for themselves.
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Basically reads like Broad Peak and Tor we’re prepared to hang the other bondholders out to dry as long as they got more for themselves.
What a surprise!!! This further reaffirms that they had no interest in operating VA, just interested in finding a way that enriched them at the expense of the other creditors including staff.
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What a surprise!!! This further reaffirms that they had no interest in operating VA, just interested in finding a way that enriched them at the expense of the other creditors including staff.
True, but no doubt Bain’s proposal isn’t steeped in benevolence, perhaps we’re just getting the lesser of 2 evils. It’s not like we have a choice in the matter.
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....no doubt Bain’s proposal isn’t steeped in benevolence, perhaps we’re just getting the lesser of 2 evils
Fair comment mate - Carla can't wait, how many sleeps to go before she finally gets to pull some levers.
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Now that’s a good read.....
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Originally Posted by Blackout
No, it is over.

Yet again, you seem to think that re-presenting the losing side's two week old argument is somehow miraculously going to reverse the court's judgement. Watching a replay of last year's grand final, even if you just watch the bits when your side scores, doesn't change the result.

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Now that’s a good read.....
The Federal Court didn't think so because it was ultimately a losing argument. Middleton J didn't even need to reserve judgement after considering that 'good read'. No sooner than Mr Jackman concluded his argument for Broad Peak and Tor, Middleton J was trying to figure out the exact party that the costs he was going to award should be paid to.

The only reading you need to attend to is this;

THE COURT ORDERS THAT:

1. The Interlocutory Process filed 11 August 2020 (Interlocutory Process) by Broad Peak Investment Advisers Pte. Ltd (for and on behalf of Broad Peak Master Fund II Ltd and Broad Peak Asia Credit Opportunities Holdings Pte. Ltd) and Tor Investment Management (Hong Kong) Ltd (together, the Applicants) be dismissed.

2. The Applicants pay the Plaintiffs' costs of the Interlocutory Process.
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ex Deloitte: Report to Creditors- 25 August 2020......

Deloitte: 25/08/2020- Report to Creditors (link here): https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...ors-250820.pdf

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Yet again, you seem to think that re-presenting the losing side's two week old argument is somehow miraculously going to reverse the court's judgement. Watching a replay of last year's grand final, even if you just watch the bits when your side scores, doesn't change the result.
As Albert Einstein said, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
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8.6Table 26, Bain gets it for $450 million.

Bondholders get maybe twelve cents in the dollar.

For all youse that think being a director or CEO is a diddle, read the report, as much as you can. The Directors could be on the hook for $17 - $35 million.
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ex: the AFR- Bain Capital offering $3.5b for Virgin......

Initial article and Summary ex the AFR (link): https://www.afr.com/companies/transp...0200825-p55p0k

Extract:
Breaking

Bain Capital offering $3.5b for Virgin

Lucas Baird Reporter
Aug 25, 2020 – 10.18am

US private equity firm Bain Capital is offering $3.5 billion for Virgin Australia, with the return to the failed airline's unsecured creditors put between 9˘ and 13˘ on the dollar.

These details have emerged as part of a report to creditors from Virgin's administrators from Deloitte. The report precedes a meeting of the carrier's 10,000 or so creditors where they will vote on how to formalise the sale to Bain – through a Deed of Company Arrangement or an asset sale.

Bain's offer includes the payment of all $450 million in worker entitlements and all $2.3 billion of debt Virgin owed to secured creditors.

The overall return to unsecured creditors, including the bondholders who had been trying to overthrow the prospective sale to Bain, will be between $462 million and $612 million.

Bain will honour all customer travel credits. They also noted some supply and finance arrangments will continue under their ownership.

Creditors will vote on the sale at a meeting on September 4.

More to come.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
8.6Table 26, Bain gets it for $450 million.

Bondholders get maybe twelve cents in the dollar.

For all youse that think being a director or CEO is a diddle, read the report, as much as you can. The Directors could be on the hook for $17 - $35 million.
Why shouldn’t they be on the hook? It was their decisions (or lack thereof) that led to this. Coronavirus finished it off but the problems started long before that.
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Deloitte: 25/08/2020- Report to Creditors (link here): https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...ors-250820.pdf

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Thanks for posting that.

One thing that we know for sure and certain now is that Paul Scurrah most assuredly misled the market when he claimed on 13 March that

The Group currently has a cash position in excess of $1 billion.
As illustrated on page 67 (Table 22) and page 68 (Figure 14) the Group's cash position has not been in excess of $1 billion since October 2019. When Scurrah was claiming that it was in excess of $1 billion it was in fact somewhere between $838.0 million and $796.1 million.

It will be interesting to see if either ASIC or the ASX elect to act on this.
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Mick,

In case you did not realise, that submission was filed yesterday 24th.

In this argument, there appears to be more substantial information.

Im curios to know how you interpret the Law and Court? If you were found guilty of something you did not commit, is the process all done.. Thats it, it's all over -Case Closed???
It might have been filed yesterday but, as you can see from the back page, it was prepared on the 15th (two days before Middleton J dismissed their application).

And you'd be better served not to construct straw man arguments. This is not a criminal matter involving guilt or innocence. It is a civil matter relating to the application of the Corporations Act 2001. The court's interpretation of that Act is the law. Broad Peak and Tor can appeal Middleton's decision but they haven't sought leave to do so at this point. That application, written two days prior to when Mr Jackman made presented arguments before Middleton J, simply reruns the their losing proposition.

Save Broad Peak and Tor lodging an appeal, it is over - case closed.
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So what is the date that Bain take total control of Virgin and Deloitte step away? Given the current state of domestic aviation I would think that they would want to delay that moment for as long as possible.
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Originally Posted by Blackout
It is a great read. A masterclass in the applicable provisions of the Corporations Law and the machinations of Bain and the administrators.

I wouldn’t share your dogmatic view, Mick. The bondholders aren’t still fighting just for ****s and giggles. They may lose, but I wouldn’t say they have lost already.
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle
As Albert Einstein said, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
He didn't, actually.

Do unsecured creditors get a vote at the creditors meeting?
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He didn't, actually.

Do unsecured creditors get a vote at the creditors meeting?
Yep, all creditors do.
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