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Old 28th Apr 2020, 22:54
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Curious as to what type of pilot earns a higher salary between international cargo pilot and international passenger pilots based out of Australia?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 03:57
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Your salary generally depends on who you work for rather than the type of payload you carry. I don't know much about Australia but in the USA, the freighter pilots at Fed Ex and UPS are paid better than those at United and Delta but the freighter pilots at Atlas Air are not and have been involved in an industrial dispute for some time.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 04:03
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Right now I’d say it’s the freight dogs earning more!
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 04:05
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I knew it was a matter of time before this question popped up. I'm curious how many passenger pilots are considering moving to cargo ops? I honestly wouldn't blame anyone for considering it, if there is ever another crisis like this, cargo pilots have better job security than passenger.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 04:06
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Not many international cargo pilots based in Aus. Cathay cargo... QF's single 767F, DHL's one 767F... any others?

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 04:12
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The issue in Aus is we don’t have any large cargo airlines. If there was a UPS/FedEX or even Atlas Air equivalent im sure some would be keen.

Even our large passenger airlines don’t have a notable fleet of freight aircraft unlike Cathay, Singapore, Emirates... QF just 1 767 and a handful of 737s and soon 2-3 A321P2Fs.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 06:09
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PAE's B757s.

I see that the Feds have just figured out that we have a major shortfall of cargo and have appointed a freight coordinator team.
Back in the days of the deregulation process, AIPA pointed out that come hard times this would be a problem.
They were ignored at the time and during the 1st Gulf war, mysteriously the Green US CRAF chartered freighters disappeared from our skies. Still the lesson wasn't learned and now we have a much bigger problem.

Maybe the bailout of QF should include some conditions like bringing back a system where for the IASC to award freight routes ,the aircraft must be Australian operated?

Maybe also Australian maintained?

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 08:29
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Originally Posted by f1yhigh View Post
I knew it was a matter of time before this question popped up. I'm curious how many passenger pilots are considering moving to cargo ops? I honestly wouldn't blame anyone for considering it, if there is ever another crisis like this, cargo pilots have better job security than passenger.
Who you work for is probably more relevant to job security than whats in the back.

Personally I have no interest in spending my entire career flying back of the clock in the off chance a once in a blue moon virus strikes again.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 09:34
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Also Airwork with 13 x737 working TOLL, Parcel Air, Fed-Ex,Virgin Cargo and Pacific charters.
Quietly carrying on in Aus and NZ.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Wunwing View Post
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PAE's B757s.

I see that the Feds have just figured out that we have a major shortfall of cargo and have appointed a freight coordinator team.
Back in the days of the deregulation process, AIPA pointed out that come hard times this would be a problem.
They were ignored at the time and during the 1st Gulf war, mysteriously the Green US CRAF chartered freighters disappeared from our skies. Still the lesson wasn't learned and now we have a much bigger problem.

Maybe the bailout of QF should include some conditions like bringing back a system where for the IASC to award freight routes ,the aircraft must be Australian operated?

Maybe also Australian maintained?

Wunwing
There’s not much need for a a nationalised service that relies on a foreign produced and supplied product.

In this case jet fuel.
Produced by foreign countries (many of whom don’t share our values) and supplied by foreign shipping companies after Australia abandoned its own merchant shipping fleet to lower cost foreign competition.
There’s no shame in reducing the burden on taxpayers, but there is often a cost.

If we can rely on allies or mercenaries to safely and effectively supply fuel, we can rely on the same to fly cargo aircraft.

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 10:49
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It appears that when the world goes down the toilet, the two places you want to work is RFDS or Cargo. Perhaps career ladder climbing might stop at these places going forward rather than using them for ‘hour building’ to the mainline operators.

Some love it, Some hate it and move on. Certainly is a more stable roster pattern, I know one guy who has flown the 733 for years and pretty much works the same hours. No delays and no traffic. What a dream.

Going to be a dogfight for those upcoming Qantas A321 Cargo job. Not quite convinced the 25 year old 321s are going to be reliable for cargo but more exciting than Coles I guess.

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Old 29th Apr 2020, 10:50
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What "By George said"
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 11:18
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Who would’ve thought 6 months ago that flying a clapped out A321 on night freight would be the most sought after job in the country
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 11:47
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Going to be a dogfight for those upcoming Qantas A321 Cargo job. Not quite convinced the 25 year old 321s are going to be reliable for cargo but more exciting than Coles I guess.
Don't expect them to recruit externally for sometime. Almost certain they will be crewed by JQ for awhile.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 11:58
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Don't expect them to recruit externally for sometime. Almost certain they will be crewed by JQ for awhile.
600 Airbus JQ pilots for 2 jobs... it’ll be a dogfight
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 12:15
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Cargo:
1. No passengers, no no-shows with checked in bags, no drunks, no wheelchairs, no seat-belt sign worries, no ‘runners’.
2. No F/A’s
3. No aero bridges with people holding clipboards and radios.Transport to the aircraft.
4. No domestic security.
5. Little traffic, direct routing, no holding.
6. Generally better weather except for the fog thing.
7. No silly hats.
8. No road traffic to and from work.
9. Get to see some great sunrises.
10. 500 hours a year stick.

Try it, you never know, you might actually like it.



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Old 29th Apr 2020, 12:22
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
Who you work for is probably more relevant to job security than whats in the back.

Personally I have no interest in spending my entire career flying back of the clock in the off chance a once in a blue moon virus strikes again.


Spent most of my career on long haul flying passengers through the night time hours


Just the nature of the job
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 13:54
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
Who you work for is probably more relevant to job security than whats in the back.

Personally I have no interest in spending my entire career flying back of the clock in the off chance a once in a blue moon virus strikes again.
Can you elaborate more on your reasoning? As far as I know, all cargo operators are chockers right now. Wouldn't that mean cargo pilots have better job security than passenger pilots in times of crisis?
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 14:07
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Where do I sign George? Oh wait....
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 14:43
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Originally Posted by f1yhigh View Post
Can you elaborate more on your reasoning? As far as I know, all cargo operators are chockers right now. Wouldn't that mean cargo pilots have better job security than passenger pilots in times of crisis?
Freight is about the only thing moving right now - that much is true. I would also speculate that although they may be flying, they may not all be as robust as appears. Some pax airlines which are are for all intents and purposes grounded, may still be in a stronger position than some of their weaker freight peers.

Furthermore, my limited experience in the freight world (particularly smaller operators) is that you can find yourself out on the street the moment a competitor snatches one of of your contracts - of which you may only have a couple of large contacts in the first place.

To suggest freight is safer than pax is overly simplistic and ignores a bigger picture.

As someone else mentioned there is pros and cos to both, but it would be foolish to think to think one has unequivocal job security over the other.
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