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Old 1st May 2020, 02:43
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What possible motive would I have for making this up?
The training airport is located at Guanghan,which is only 14 miles from Chengdu.
You will note I named the institution which utilises the airport in question. If you would care to do your research instead of calling me a lier you could have confirmed this. You may have flown into Chengdu but you are clearly ignorant about the broader Chinese aviation scene beyond the civilian commercial airports.
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The monologue above,by Mutt, reminds me of the British Empire...
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The monologue above,by Mutt, reminds me of the British Empire...
Your 10 word response suggests you would need reminding, .........constantly.

Motley....anyone with any direct or significant contact with those in question would have to give you 10 out of 10 for your last post.
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Muttley, you obviously have some personal experience as I do. Love your work. Sadly you can't fix stupid or the PC warriors.
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May I further correct your analogy?
Yes, your kid would be 2000yo but he spent the first 1950 years as a mongoloid no one cared about, sitting in the back corner of the classroom, picking his nose and urinating on the floor without shame.
It’s going to be so easy for China to dominate the West when those “defenders of Western Civilisation” come up with rubbish like this.

A mongoloid no one cared about. China was quite advanced in the fields of science, manufacturing, astronomy, innovation, economics, trade, art and engineering, especially ahead of Europe in the Dark Ages. Ask Marco Polo if he thought of the Chinese as “Mongoloids”. He admired them as far back as the 13th century and saw them as more civilised than Europeans. Most of European age of exploration was to find better trade routes to the Chinese economy. Napoleon certainly saw their future power and capability. I think some very important people in world history cared a lot about China.

sitting in the back corner of the classroom. In fact quite a few historians hold the view that China was the quietly dominant world power up until the beginning of the “Century of Humiliation”, and all we are seeing now is the final step of a rise back to their previous status.

Like I’ve said Westerners truly don’t know enough about China to judge it properly, because if you think of their place in the global order for the majority of the last 2000 years as “picking their nose and urinating on the floor without shame” you truly don’t know what you are talking about.


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[QUOTE=prickly;10769134]Your 10 word response suggests you would need reminding, .........constantly.

11 words....
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I call dr dre out as having racist Tendencies himself, he has gone past the point of debate, seemingly to have taken on a role of an fanatic to the point of extolling a belief that indicates that China is “in the final step of a rise back to their previous status” ....of the dominant world power (slightly paraphrased, but dre’s words all the same).

What this political hijack to do with Professional Aviation in the Australian, New Zealand and Pacific Aviation region is beyond me and, at least in IMHO, is better suited to another rambling chapter of “the little red book” as published circa 1966, or at the very least Jet Blast.

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Originally Posted by dr dre
It’s going to be so easy for China to dominate the West when those “defenders of Western Civilisation” come up with rubbish like this.

A mongoloid no one cared about. China was quite advanced in the fields of science, manufacturing, astronomy, innovation, economics, trade, art and engineering, especially ahead of Europe in the Dark Ages. Ask Marco Polo if he thought of the Chinese as “Mongoloids”. He admired them as far back as the 13th century and saw them as more civilised than Europeans. Most of European age of exploration was to find better trade routes to the Chinese economy. Napoleon certainly saw their future power and capability. I think some very important people in world history cared a lot about China.

sitting in the back corner of the classroom. In fact quite a few historians hold the view that China was the quietly dominant world power up until the beginning of the “Century of Humiliation”, and all we are seeing now is the final step of a rise back to their previous status.

Like I’ve said Westerners truly don’t know enough about China to judge it properly, because if you think of their place in the global order for the majority of the last 2000 years as “picking their nose and urinating on the floor without shame” you truly don’t know what you are talking about.
You are correct, dr dre. China is probably the biggest economy on the planet (and has been for a while recently, after definitely being so during most of the 19th century). China is and almost always was an extraordinarily powerful military and technological country.

The fact remains: The extent of Australia’s engagement with China remains a choice (for now). That engagement has enormous monetary benefits, but it still comes at a cost. Lots of Australians are questioning whether the cost is worth the benefits. Many are saying: No.

It may be that some of that many will return to mature-aged baby status when confronted with the prospect of more expensive goods and services in return for increased national self-sufficiency. We’ll see when folks vote.

If I had to bet folding money I’d bet on the mature-aged babies swaying the politicians (many of whom don’t need to be swayed) to return to the ‘quickest buck made in the laziest way’ trading arrangements. So: There’s probably going to be a return to the foreign student rivers of gold eventually. Yay!
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“BUT BUT BUT - does that all mean we just let China do what it wants? What they are doing in the South China Sea with the Spratleys and other islands. To just move in and build bases illegally and basically say to the world "well what are you gunna do about it?" - and they get away with it.”

The Chinese have no less a claim to the Spratleys which are 500 miles away from China than the English do over the Falklands which are 8000 miles from England or the Americans over Guam which are 5000 miles from America.

America officially has over 800 bases worldwide in over 80 countries and as was recently discovered by accident it has troops conducting military operations in 20 countries in Africa alone along with the more high profile wars being fought in the Middle East and soon to be South America.

The US has been involved in military operations in over 50 countries since WW2 and since the country was founded in 1776 has been at war every single year except 7.

Can we say China comes even close to this with its SEVERAL foreign military bases.

“That engagement has enormous monetary benefits, but it still comes at a cost”

It comes at a cost being “engaged” with the US too by being strong armed into spending horrendous amounts of money on US weapons (one of the highest/GDP of the developed world) and then being conned into supporting war crimes while fighting US resource wars on the other side of the planet in countries that pose zero threat to Australia.
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It comes at a cost being “engaged” with the US too by being strong armed into spending horrendous amounts of money on US weapons (one of the highest/GDP of the developed world) and then being conned into supporting war crimes while fighting US resource wars on the other side of the planet in countries that pose zero threat to Australia.
Absolutely.

It’s hypocritical for Australia to attack China’s human rights record. I don’t see China invading too many countries recently sparking conflicts that kill millions after a campaign of lies. I don’t see Chinese special forces murdering unarmed farmers in Afghanistan and then lying about it, unlike our own “SAS heroes”. China does have human rights issues but let’s not pretend Australia is without fault.

Now back to the issue at hand, how to ensure Chinese trainee pilots are able to feel welcome and safe in Australia despite any racist abuse they cop. I hope anyone who can identify those in the community who would perform such disgusting things would dob them in to them in to the relevant authorities. Otherwise struggling local towns will lose a business supporting skilled employees, causing them to struggle further. I don’t think the way Chinese students have been spoken to and treated counts under the so called “Aussie Fair Go”.
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“A mongoloid no one cared about. China was quite advanced in the fields of science, manufacturing, astronomy, innovation, economics, trade, art and engineering, especially ahead of Europe in the Dark Ages.”

They certainly were advanced, until our mate Chairman Mao, his red guards and the cultural revolution sorted that.

Artists, teachers, professors, economists, scientists and doctors all dispatched as enemies of the communist good. Corrupt party members and mythical economic claims then became and still is the way of China

The once advanced society has been destroyed and replaced by a criminal, malignant, incompetent CCP. The place is now an Orwellian state run by the bastard progeny of the Great Leap Forward.

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Can we say China comes even close to this with its SEVERAL foreign military bases.
It seems you are losing perspective with this statement.

China has now become the master of chequebook diplomacy, by taking overseas national strategic assets and bringing them under state control. Sri Lanka, Cook Islands, West Africa. You do realise these are now becoming indebted states, military bases are not required. What do you think the 'Belt and Road' project is?

The socialist beliefs that China espouses are only there to keep their citizens in a belief that their wealth is being generated from them, not the capitalist economies which China has capitalised on under their socialist labour models.

Do you believe that China adopts first world labour laws? Socialism needs Union recognition, is China adapting this model?

Nationalistic attitudes are now taking over, China and their information control doest work outside their borders, it only creates resentment and further divide.

Tell me, who are the lesser racists? China or the West?
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“You'd prefer it was the other way around? “

My preference is neither super power, past or present, engage in large scale warfare in order to spread their reach.

“China has now become the master of chequebook diplomacy, by taking overseas national strategic assets and bringing them under state control.”

Yes, they have, I am not denying that at all.

My comment was in reply to rodney rude suggesting that China should not be permitted to build its bases some 500 miles from its front door, I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

I totally agree, China is extending its reach more and more every day and I am not suggesting that this will be problem free.

However, unlike America and its lackeys such as Australia who have gained the spoils of globalization through the barrel of a gun, the Chinese appear at this stage to be doing it with “cheque book diplomacy” and so far the body count appears to be zero.

Perhaps thats not important to you as (white) Australia has never suffered at the hands of aggressive empire, it has always been the little kid egging the bully on from a position of safety.

But ask someone from Iraq or Syria or Yemen or Honduras or Vietnam or Laos or Cambodia how they feel about American “capitalism” and I guarantee you they would choose “cheque book diplomacy” every time.

“Do you believe that China adopts first world labour laws?”

No, of course they don’t, its one of the reasons why western companies move their manufacturing facilities there.

They are fully aware of poor labor standards and health and safety levels and only ever change things when the press occasionally penetrate the system and embarrass them. Even then they return to their old ways as soon as the spotlight goes away. Our entire system of consumption is predicated on exploiting workers in the third world.

“Tell me, who are the lesser racists? China or the West?”

Neither. The west has a pretense of not being racist however racism is a fact of life in the west from casual racism in the street to deeply embedded in Government policy.
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Spoken like a true socialist who resides in the world's largest capitalist market.

The very fact that every luxury you have enjoyed throughout your very priveged life has been garnished through your apparent disdain for western values I find extremely hypocritical.

And btw, no one on this site, past nor present, was here in 1770 nor 1788, so let's stop with the anti white Australia rhetoric shall we! I'm not ashamed of my heritage; nobody here was responsible for what happened way back when, but there seem to be many left wing inner city social elite white apologists here!

You can't rewrite history, although the curriculum in this country via subterfuge of the the likes of those mentioned above, is hellbent on espousing a different version!

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OICUR12

Spoken like a true socialist who resides in the world's largest capitalist market.

The very fact that every luxury you have enjoyed throughout your very priveged life has been garnished through your apparent disdain for western values I find extremely hypocritical.

And btw, no one on this site, past nor present, was here in 1770 nor 1788, so let's stop with the anti white Australia rhetoric shall we! I'm not ashamed of my heritage; nobody here was responsible for what happened way back when, but there seem to be many left wing inner city social elite white apologists here!

You can't rewrite history, although the curriculum in this country via subterfuge of the the likes of those mentioned above, is hellbent on espousing a different version!
Jesus, surprised you didn't use the term snowflake in there. I love when people believe any disagreement means the person must be a socialist or communist. **** off to the USA if you're going to act like that.
Oicur is definitely not picking a side and showing both super powers engage in the same questionable acts. There's no winner here if Aus picks USA or China and we should dance on the line and capitalise on both.
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Jesus, surprised you didn't use the term snowflake in there. I love when people believe any disagreement means the person must be a socialist or communist. **** off to the USA if you're going to act like that.
Oicur is definitely not picking a side and showing both super powers engage in the same questionable acts. There's no winner here if Aus picks USA or China and we should dance on the line and capitalise on both.
well said! -)
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“Spoken like a true socialist who resides in the world's largest capitalist market.”

Incorrect on both counts but if applying simplistic labels helps you sleep at night then feel free.

“…apparent disdain for western values”

I am not really sure what “western values” you think I have displayed a disdain for?

Perhaps you could provide some insight.

“…showing both super powers engage in the same questionable acts.”

This is pretty much the crux of what I am getting at but I do find it troubling that so many people in society are blinkered to the atrocities committed in our name by our Government.
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However, unlike America and its lackeys such as Australia who have gained the spoils of globalization through the barrel of a gun
Can you clarify how globalisation has been established through the 'barrel of a gun' ? If anything it has been established through the third world laws and low labour cost that countries such as China. Vietnam, Cambodia offer.

The west has a pretense of not being racist however racism is a fact of life in the west from casual racism in the street to deeply embedded in Government policy.
Is this the same as the racist policy that has locked out global business establishing companies without submitting to handing over intellectual property, or agreeing to joint ventures where the state takes effective control of any foreign investment?

I believeChina is creating racism globally, and their reluctance to share information with this pandemic only highlights their contempt for western values.

Should we discuss Uighurs and their non racist handling by China? I don't see many western governments adapting this policy.

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“BUT BUT BUT - does that all mean we just let China do what it wants? What they are doing in the South China Sea with the Spratleys and other islands. To just move in and build bases illegally and basically say to the world "well what are you gunna do about it?" - and they get away with it.”

The Chinese have no less a claim to the Spratleys which are 500 miles away from China than the English do over the Falklands which are 8000 miles from England or the Americans over Guam which are 5000 miles from America.

America officially has over 800 bases worldwide in over 80 countries and as was recently discovered by accident it has troops conducting military operations in 20 countries in Africa alone along with the more high profile wars being fought in the Middle East and soon to be South America.

The US has been involved in military operations in over 50 countries since WW2 and since the country was founded in 1776 has been at war every single year except 7.

Can we say China comes even close to this with its SEVERAL foreign military bases.

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Not a fan of simple contrarian arguments.

After WW2 the peace had to be won by rebuilding Europe and Asia and countering communism. Most of the heavy lifting was done by the US and a key to Bretton Woods and the Marshall Plan was the US military permitting thriving trade to see the rebuilding of Germany and Japan for example, in the face of hostile communism. Yes, the US had thousands of military bases abroad. Many have now closed.

Guam is American soil. And in strategic terms, keeping the sea lanes to Korea and Japan open since the end of WW2 allowing those countries to thrive. The 9-dash line and Spratlys was claimed in 1947 by the communists who had been hiding in the hills from the Japanese occupiers during WW2. Chinese ambitions in the South China Sea are unreasonable and conflict with many nations. American military bases in the Pacific permit treaty obligations of a de-militarised Japan for example. They've permitting thriving trade imperative to Australia and there's even the irony that oil shipment stability provided by the US Navy has permitted the rise of industrial China.

Then Cold War was horrific in many parts and as was the conduct of the US and its allies. Ostensibly, the moral compass was lost in some Cold War conflicts, though I'm not sure dozens of North Korean states would be so great today in an alternative.

COVID 19 has been an insight into how future conflict with China may play out if Australia caught up. It's not pretty. Government planners have had an insight into modern day Blitzkreig with critical national supply threatened and the power of cyber warfare ( both security and influencers ) with actions that would render our military ineffective ( and the US military severely constrained ). With the internet and economic coercion, China can do what the Japanese navy could not do in 1941 ! Isolate key players from the US and divide up the Pacific. Wake up Australia!

However, racism against Chinese plays into the CCP hands with their army of internet influencers. Always needs to be quashed by us as a society.

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“Can you clarify how globalisation has been established through the 'barrel of a gun' ?”

The entire way of life in America can only exist as a result of the US selling its debt in the form of US Treasuries, debt that now stands at almost 25 trillion and growing more rapidly every year.

This creates an imperative whereby large scale trades, particularly oil, must be conducted in US dollars, a status quo that has existed since the gold window closed in 1971 thereby turning the US dollar into a de facto oil backed currency.

This recycling of petrodollars provides oil producing countries such as Saudi Arabia with weapons, expertise and training on the clear understanding that all oil will enter the market priced in US dollars. The proceeds of these sales will be returned to the US in the purchase of US treasuries thus enabling US debt to grow without inflation affecting domestic consumers with the bulk of inflation being exported to countries with fixed exchange rates.

Hence the term coined by then Treasury Secretary John Connally in 1971 “The dollar is our currency, but it’s your problem”.

Its a false economy whereby American citizens are easily swayed into thinking the spoils of western capitalism are the result of a clever, innovative hard working society when it is in fact far from it.


Any country attempting to solve this “problem” by dedollarization will be met with force or as history has shown, all fiat hegemonic currencies are backed up by men with guns.

Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Iran and possibly Saudi Arabia if they don’t continue to play the game have or will be subject to this show of force when having the arrogance to leave the reservation and become independent of the greenback.

Were global financial markets permitted to freely operate then US fiat would slowly return to the value of zero, which historically every fiat currency has done and the US consumer would see a considerable drop in lifestyle as a result.

Conflict in the Persian Gulf is largely about defending the dollar and is just one example of how the US and its allies employ force in order to coerce the global market into operating in a US friendly manner.

To quote Professor Michael Hudson, an authority on the history of debt:

“The solution [to the problem of maintaining the demand for dollars] turned out to be to replace gold with U.S. Treasury securities (IOUs) as the basis of foreign central bank reserves. After 1971, foreign central banks had little option for what to do with their continuing dollar inflows except to recycle them to the U.S. economy by buying U.S. Treasury securities. The effect of U.S. foreign military spending thus did not undercut the dollar’s exchange rate, and did not even force the Treasury and Federal Reserve to raise interest rates to attract foreign exchange to offset the dollar outflows on military account. In fact, U.S. foreign military spending helped finance the domestic U.S. federal budget deficit.”

Maybe next time we can talk about how the US uses its military to access natural resources, cheap labor and to create markets for US products. Think about South America.

“Is this the same as the racist policy that has locked out global business establishing companies without submitting to handing over intellectual property, or agreeing to joint ventures where the state takes effective control of any foreign investment?”.

You may notice at no stage have I suggested that China is not racist, merely that they are no more racist than we are.

“Should we discuss Uighurs and their non racist handling by China? I don't see many western governments adapting this policy.”

I suggest you take a look at the criticism leveled at the Australian Government handling of boat people recently and of the US Government handling of refugees at the border where asylum seekers, some young children, have literally died in cages.
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