Mildura Rednecks wreck our fair go reputation
The flood of Chinese students into Australia is over and it it won't restart. Once this current batch of students is finished there will be little to no inflow of new Chinese students. They already have massive flying schools in China turning out 2000 pilots a year per school. The school at Chengdu - Civil Aviation Flying University of China - is an example. I have been there and it is not going away. the current situation will focus China more on domestic training utilising its current assets.
But as usual the apologist for everything that China does, those commentators who bag their own country because they can, and those that accept anyones piece of silver is good, will sprout that it would be racist not to accept this position, and that any financial benefit for themselves will worth the loss of any self respect.
The security and economic challenges for Australia moving forward are immense. We can not immediately decouple from China and why should we? However, few above who say chop them off now, seem aware of how China-dependent we are in so many critical areas of our society- this must change. This has been a security concern for a number of years and ignored.
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LOL. We are obviously talking about a different Chengdu, the one I'm talking about has heavy 100-200ton machines coming and going every 90 seconds all day long, no way there are bug smashers operating VFR in IMC conditions at a place like that, not even in China. Graduating 2000 pilots a year as what?, to what standard?, to what acceptable licence?
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I don’t support racism, bigots or bullies in any way, in any race, so rest assured I am not calling those speaking up against racist bogans apologists for communist China.
I don’t support racism, bigots or bullies in any way, in any race, so rest assured I am not calling those speaking up against racist bogans apologists for communist China.
Let me guess, it’s all a secretive Chinese plot to use these airports as a staging point for a backdoor invasion of the country???
And before anyone says even that suggestion is far too ludicrous for the conspiracy theorists.....:
folks speaking up against bogan racists
It could be any number of other things.
-Bored School Kids
-someone who’s mentally ill or deranged
-someone trying to garner sympathy for their business that hasn’t been welcomed into the community
-and yes, it could just as likely be certain entities attempting using our society’s well know introspective hypersensitivity to our own ‘racism’ against us
- or yes, it could be moronic ‘bogans’
but no one has provided any proof for or against any of these.
Some seem not to comprehend the current mood of the Australian Federal government - supported by large swathes of the community - and the current mood of the Chinese government. The Australian government is pissing the Chinese government off, knowing that the Australian government is pissing the Chinese government off. And that’s notwithstanding that members of the party in power in Australia (like the opposition) take generous donations from Chinese - what’s the term for them - ‘colourful characters’ and understands full well the economic benefits of a positive relationship with the Chinese government.
If you think that the Australian government is going to allow a return to ‘business as usual’ for foreign investment from Chinese entities and entry of foreign nationals any time soon, and be overwhelmingly supported by the electorate in doing so, I’d urge more research. And it’s always open to the Chinese government to wipe the Australian gum off its shoe.
Nothing to do with tin foil hats and conspiracy theories. Australia’s abject vulnerability as a consequence of matters that should be but are not in its control has been brought into stark(er) relief by C19.
If you think that the Australian government is going to allow a return to ‘business as usual’ for foreign investment from Chinese entities and entry of foreign nationals any time soon, and be overwhelmingly supported by the electorate in doing so, I’d urge more research. And it’s always open to the Chinese government to wipe the Australian gum off its shoe.
Nothing to do with tin foil hats and conspiracy theories. Australia’s abject vulnerability as a consequence of matters that should be but are not in its control has been brought into stark(er) relief by C19.
Is this why there is a large, self contained facility at Mildura set up and ready to take refugees from Australia's East Island in an attempt to kick off the NRL season?
Seems some of the, cough, cough, not so local teams may also utilise the facility.
Guessing it was previously home to trainee pilots.
Seems some of the, cough, cough, not so local teams may also utilise the facility.
Guessing it was previously home to trainee pilots.
Dr Dre you make very valid and strong, logical points. China IS very important to us, but they are like your beautiful 8 year old son who is going off the rails. You love him, you need him in your life, but he is a very naughty boy and you have to tell him so. You have to provide discipline, education - but most importantly, you have to mold him into a solid corporate citizen, someone who has a valuable contribution to make to society and someone who follows the rules of life. And this is where China fails. They are a very important global player. Their contribution to our economy is massive and imperative. Look at aviation = where would the flying schools of Australia be without these Chinese students?
BUT BUT BUT - does that all mean we just let China do what it wants? What they are doing in the South China Sea with the Spratleys and other islands. To just move in and build bases illegally and basically say to the world "well what are you gunna do about it?" - and they get away with it. They gaoled doctors who were reporting COVID - and then lie about it. And they now threaten Australia because we are pushing for an enquiry. Come on.... really??. They know they screwed up, but they threaten anyone who wants to see what happened, why it happened, and how we can prevent it again. Clearly they have something to hide. These are NOT the actions of a solid world citizen - we must protect our economy, but nothing must stop China from being held to account for terrible behaviour in a world context.
I note in a very early post on here a quote from the ATSB about Mildura - "nothing to see here, there's only been 4 reports in the last year." (those figures are not correct, just can't be bothered going back and finding it). But whatever the number is - very typical of a USELESS organisation. Our company alone has submitted about a dozen reports over the last 6 months alone about the dangerous situation that Mildura has become. Good old ATSB - never let truth get in the way of your incompetence.
BUT BUT BUT - does that all mean we just let China do what it wants? What they are doing in the South China Sea with the Spratleys and other islands. To just move in and build bases illegally and basically say to the world "well what are you gunna do about it?" - and they get away with it. They gaoled doctors who were reporting COVID - and then lie about it. And they now threaten Australia because we are pushing for an enquiry. Come on.... really??. They know they screwed up, but they threaten anyone who wants to see what happened, why it happened, and how we can prevent it again. Clearly they have something to hide. These are NOT the actions of a solid world citizen - we must protect our economy, but nothing must stop China from being held to account for terrible behaviour in a world context.
I note in a very early post on here a quote from the ATSB about Mildura - "nothing to see here, there's only been 4 reports in the last year." (those figures are not correct, just can't be bothered going back and finding it). But whatever the number is - very typical of a USELESS organisation. Our company alone has submitted about a dozen reports over the last 6 months alone about the dangerous situation that Mildura has become. Good old ATSB - never let truth get in the way of your incompetence.
Still waiting for the proof these are ‘redneck’ and ‘bogan’ racists...
It could be any number of other things.
-Bored School Kids
-someone who’s mentally ill or deranged
-someone trying to garner sympathy for their business that hasn’t been welcomed into the community
-and yes, it could just as likely be certain entities attempting using our society’s well know introspective hypersensitivity to our own ‘racism’ against us
- or yes, it could be moronic ‘bogans’
but no one has provided any proof for or against any of these.
It could be any number of other things.
-Bored School Kids
-someone who’s mentally ill or deranged
-someone trying to garner sympathy for their business that hasn’t been welcomed into the community
-and yes, it could just as likely be certain entities attempting using our society’s well know introspective hypersensitivity to our own ‘racism’ against us
- or yes, it could be moronic ‘bogans’
but no one has provided any proof for or against any of these.
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LOL. We are obviously talking about a different Chengdu, the one I'm talking about has heavy 100-200ton machines coming and going every 90 seconds all day long, no way there are bug smashers operating VFR in IMC conditions at a place like that, not even in China. Graduating 2000 pilots a year as what?, to what standard?, to what acceptable licence?
Ironic.
“On what basis do you presume to speak for everyone?”
On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.
I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.
“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”
Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.
Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.
“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”
And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.
“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”
I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.
“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “
I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.
“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”
And the English did? The French? The Americans?
“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”
No, they are hankering for an education.
On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.
I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.
“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”
Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.
Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.
“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”
And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.
“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”
I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.
“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “
I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.
“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”
And the English did? The French? The Americans?
“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”
No, they are hankering for an education.
If you follow the current 'tertiary education' debate, then you'd have read (Prof.) Peter Van Onselens' section in the last Weekend Australian. He is certainly not a current government supporter - rather, quite a critic. Yet, in his own words..............
But the comparative advantage Australian universities have enjoyed has been built on location, location, and location. That is, the lifestyle benefits of studying here, and experiencing Australia, alongside the potential to migrate Down Under once you are finished.
The backdoor visa system for foreign students at the completion of their studies has been the dirty little secret of the success of Australias' 2nd largest export sector. It is why so many students in our region have chosen Australian universities over universities in other parts of the world. Migrate to a great place to live, and not too far from home.
There you go: quality of education, or a better place to live? It's done via a visa and an airline ticket, rather than USD10,000, and a leaking fishing boat!
The discussion about Chinese aviation studies students pales into insignificance against the numbers involved in the greater tertiary sector, where the real money is being made. A cessation of flying training of Chinese pilots will make barely a ripple on the industry. The possible disappearance of the majority of the Chinese at Australian universities will create a massive black hole in our export income, and this seems to have been overlooked in recent times by our intemperate federal government. Loss of students won't be about 'racism' or the actions of a few ignorants, it will be by CCP policy and directions to the Chinese citizenry.
happy days,
Most Australians (and westerners) forget they are dealing with a history, culture and people who go back a lot, lot longer than Australia has been around. The thought our little minnow of a country is going to influence them in any way is hilarious.
Just to put that comparison in context, it would be like a nation the size of the Solomon Islands or the GDP of PNG dictating how Australia should act. Australians would be pissing their pants laughing if either one of them tried, but that’s how Australians are acting here to a country of comparative size.
It doesn't matter anyway because Gnadenburg thinks the aircraft were lasered by agents of the Chinese Communist Party who are here to destabilise our system by impersonating rednecks.
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Aah, Muttley Crew, I can still smell that stench and only those who have experienced it will ever know what we mean.
A couple of 'off' radio calls and a few lasers, get your hands off it!
I have had that in Australia.
I experienced far worse in dealing with some people in Asia and in one particular part of Asia.
Mildura wrecks our 'fair go reputation'- Bul--it!
Westerners are seen as soft and known to buckle the moment the "racist' card is played.
As I was often told in dealings in China and other parts of Asia ; 'you cannot do this or that ( even though you are entitled to ) because, you are not Chinese'.
The university study ploy is an old scam that will come back to bite us on the behind as will foreign investment.
I could say so much more .
A couple of 'off' radio calls and a few lasers, get your hands off it!
I have had that in Australia.
I experienced far worse in dealing with some people in Asia and in one particular part of Asia.
Mildura wrecks our 'fair go reputation'- Bul--it!
Westerners are seen as soft and known to buckle the moment the "racist' card is played.
As I was often told in dealings in China and other parts of Asia ; 'you cannot do this or that ( even though you are entitled to ) because, you are not Chinese'.
The university study ploy is an old scam that will come back to bite us on the behind as will foreign investment.
I could say so much more .
Most Australians (and westerners) forget they are dealing with a history, culture and people who go back a lot, lot longer than Australia has been around. The thought our little minnow of a country is going to influence them in any way is hilarious.
Just to put that comparison in context, it would be like a nation the size of the Solomon Islands or the GDP of PNG dictating how Australia should act. Australians would be pissing their pants laughing if either one of them tried, but that’s how Australians are acting here to a country of comparative size.
Just to put that comparison in context, it would be like a nation the size of the Solomon Islands or the GDP of PNG dictating how Australia should act. Australians would be pissing their pants laughing if either one of them tried, but that’s how Australians are acting here to a country of comparative size.
The fact that we are relatively small does not mean that we can't or shouldn't speak up when we feel the need to do so, particularly when China's actions have a direct effect on us.
Anti-Chinese sentiment has been around since at least the gold rushes. But I don't think that the current concern about the increasing influence of China can be dismissed as racism.
China has been by far the largest foreign investor in Australia for the last several years and is the largest foreign owner of agricultural land. Personally, I'm happy to sell China our products, but not happy that they own so much of our land and resources. I believe that most Australians (and Westerners) believe that under the Xi regime they have not been good global citizens, and their aggressive expansionism is a cause for real concern for those of us in the Pacific.
Come on guys. It's a click bait story. How the fuk can the wanka kids, tell if it's an aussie or chinese student flying the plane. Or even if it was even a student training flight, at a busy country airport.
I would suggest you are making all this up. Only other airports around would be military as is all the airspace. Are you familiar with the terrain around Chengdu,? it's completely unsuitable for training. But please go ahead and tell us all the name of the airport where you visited the tower.