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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:09
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Well no, especially when you consider how cheap more modern airframes are and will be for the next couple of years. Although I do like the idea of staying up all night for a chance to fly on a geriatric jet to SYD.

Speaking of aircraft values...there’s going to be some balance sheet adjustments soon for everyone once the true market value of parked jets becomes known. I expect the values of 717s and F-100s to be pretty much zero.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:24
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Australopithecus: There are airlines and leasing companies that are currently defaulting on new aircraft deliveries from Airbus and Boeing. With aircraft being repossessed the used aircraft market is starting to become awash with cheap aircraft. Values could decline by up to 40% before the world economy is back on track. This presents opportunities for new airlines to start up. A replacement for Virgin Australia will be a good example. They will not have many dollars at risk.
Ps. Boeing has 3 x B717's for sale or lease at present 125Y built 2004.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:55
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There was a time when there was demand for 717s from both Qantas and Delta, but can you see any real demand for them in the future? As you wrote, values are currently down and falling. The Americans are about to see how stupidity and fecklessness in a time of crisis can strip value from everything.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 13:21
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey
Ever heard of this thing called an AOC?
wtf ? Think Alliance might have an AOC.

Expert reveals the Qld airline which could replace ‘tainted’ Virgin Australia

Concerns the collapse of the “tainted” Virgin Australia would create an airline monopoly in Australian skies has been dismissed by an industry expert, who points out Queensland has another airline ready and able to fill its void.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/busin...38f25da188ee72

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 14:21
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wtf ? Think Alliance might have an AOC.
No sh!t Einstein. It’s CASA who regulates operations based on an operator’s AOC and not the Minister for Transport as you were alluding to.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:47
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Australopithecus: There are airlines and leasing companies that are currently defaulting on new aircraft deliveries from Airbus and Boeing. With aircraft being repossessed the used aircraft market is starting to become awash with cheap aircraft. Values could decline by up to 40% before the world economy is back on track. This presents opportunities for new airlines to start up. A replacement for Virgin Australia will be a good example. They will not have many dollars at risk.
Ps. Boeing has 3 x B717's for sale or lease at present 125Y built 2004.
Delta own “about” 20 x 717s and lease another “around” 70.
they are attempting to get out of lease costs therefore maybe sending back a large number if not all the 70 leased 717s.
whilst they were in demand pre-covid, that may change, or the bargain basement lease costs may see some operator see them as a good alternative.

pax numbers are going to be down for a considerable time post covid, 125 seats may end up more suitable/economical.


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Old 26th Apr 2020, 00:42
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey
No sh!t Einstein. It’s CASA who regulates operations based on an operator’s AOC and not the Minister for Transport as you were alluding to.
& who tells casa what to do ? Transport minister ? PM ?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 00:55
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....38f25da188ee72

REGIONAL Queensland charter group Alliance Airlines is among the best-placed to fill Virgin’s void if it fails to emerge from voluntary administration, a leading aviation industry expert believes.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 01:17
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Do some homework first; what a turkey you are ...
The Fokker 70, 100, F28, has been the backbone of Air Niugini for 40 years now in one variation or another.
Robust, reliable, can take enourmus punishment and they even fly very short sectors of of 15 to 30 minutes.
Take a look at the time expired airframes at Port Moresby on the rubbish dump. No modern aircraft can match a Fokker.
So why are the Australian operators having so many engine failures/depressurisations/Fume event/hydraulic failures etc etc?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 01:24
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....38f25da188ee72

REGIONAL Queensland charter group Alliance Airlines is among the best-placed to fill Virgin’s void if it fails to emerge from voluntary administration, a leading aviation industry expert believes.
Handsford an expert ? Self appointed ?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 02:35
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Originally Posted by BNEA320
& who tells casa what to do ? Transport minister ? PM ?
You obviously have NFI how the industry works.
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Rumour is Cobham have been advised of 2 more 717s inbound early next year - Fokker replacements?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 03:08
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Rumour is Cobham have been advised of 2 more 717s inbound early next year - Fokker replacements?
Are they ex Delta?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 04:11
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Rumour is Cobham have been advised of 2 more 717s inbound early next year - Fokker replacements?
With the entire East Coast fleet and crew stood down and no indication of a full schedule anytime soon, I doubt it.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 05:06
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Australopithecus: I see limited demand for the B717 going forward. In my opinion the life of the aircraft will terminate after the second gear change life expires. This will occur for the latter builds in 2026 which is the date Qantas has previously nominated. I suspect the latter builds will still be flying until this date as they are a 'cheap' low cost efficient aircraft over short to medium routes. Whether it extends this far remains to be seen. The scrap value in the aircraft will be the engines.
Ps. I would not be surprised to see Alliance show interest in the B717. The seat km cost can not be matched in the under 150 seat category.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 05:21
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Ps. I would not be surprised to see Alliance show interest in the B717. The seat km cost can not be matched in the under 150 seat category.
It would match closely to the seat km cost for the Ejet E195, would it not, with plenty of availability for spares in the long term?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 05:54
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Network to eventually become A320 only ops and Cobham/whatever entity to operate the soonish to be (from early next year onwards) the larger B717 fleet. Virus may adjust timelines but the west will always need that 100+ seat aircraft.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 06:27
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Network and Alliance to go B717 in addition to Cobham if/when Delta exit thiers
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 09:19
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I think Alliance, who are financially pretty savvy, would have to think twice about introducing another aircraft type. Their spares holding on the Fockers is very extensive and they own most of it.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:31
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Alliance can't flog the F100 forever and now is probably a good time to be buying a replacement type as there will be alot of distressed sales out there. What can you replace it with will be the question.
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