Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

what about Alliance ?

Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:04
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BNE
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
what about Alliance ?

If V2 doesn't happen for some reason & Alliance were to pick up VARA F100s (think VARA have 14) that would give them a huge Fokker fleet.

As far as aware, any Fokkers on FIFO contracts don't fly hard, so a certain % of F100s & F70s could be flown much harder & do any domestic routes now flown by VA jets, except East Coast to Perth & back, but think some F70s could do that.

SYD curfew going temporarily would mean they could fly into & out SYD maybe 0500-2359 with no risk of fines.
BNEA320 is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:12
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Outofoz
Posts: 718
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts
320. Great idea. No curfew in Sydney, awesome. You might want to give Paul stoddart a call.
hotnhigh is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:13
  #3 (permalink)  
ebt
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 228
Received 16 Likes on 8 Posts
That supposes that QQ actually want to touch RPT, which I can imagine they wouldn't want to do unless somebody was handling the distribution or underwriting it. Their biggest opportunity would be to pick up the VARA business (or even just the contracts) and focus on those. Those Fokkers won't hold up well doing regular runs up and down the coast with multiple sectors, short turns etc. Plus, there is the small issue of Qantas holding the largest stake in QQ at the moment - subject to the ACCC investigation.
ebt is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:16
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BNE
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by hotnhigh
320. Great idea. No curfew in Sydney, awesome. You might want to give Paul stoddart a call.
if v2 doesn't happen, there will have to be a lot of back of clock flying. Remember around xmas 2001, there were lots of flights out of BNE & MEL very late.

All it takes is a decision by govt. saying it's an emergency to keep airfares low.

Bloody SYD curfew means no airlines (with possible exception fo QF) wants to schedule a flight arriving in SYD later than 2100 as aircraft might get stuck in SYD.

QF have aircraft parked at SYD overnight, that could probably be brought in at short notice, if inbound aircraft looked like arriving too late to meet current curfew & couldn't get out by 2300.
BNEA320 is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:33
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 565
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is it school holidays?
wishiwasupthere is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:45
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Posts: 2,461
Received 290 Likes on 112 Posts
Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere
Is it school holidays?
Well they’re all still at home and they all have computers at the moment, close enough.
morno is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:57
  #7 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BNE
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
without V2, alliance & any other australian or NZ charter airline, along with air nz could fill some of the gap, before even letting in foreign carriers, like during pilots dispute. (obviously NZ is foreign but a special case as has traffic rights in OZ already)

Remember Yugoslavia airline JAT (DC10s I think), Air Méditerranée (737), RAAF & other carriers flying domestically filling void.

What did RAAF carry pax in ?
BNEA320 is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 05:37
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: You live where
Posts: 692
Received 63 Likes on 37 Posts
Originally Posted by BNEA320
Bloody SYD curfew means no airlines (with possible exception fo QF) wants to schedule a flight arriving in SYD later than 2100 as aircraft might get stuck in SYD.
TT had 4 airframes overnight at SYD, JQ about 8-10, VA anywhere between 10 &15, whilst it's true that a disruption causes QF fewer issues it's still likely to cause issues.

Removal or even relaxation of the curfew, yeah, good luck with that one!
missy is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 05:43
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eagles Nest
Posts: 485
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What did RAAF carry pax in ?

HS748’s

Remember being instructed to not leave until I’d seen all the engines started as with the work those engines ( darts from memory ) where doing they where overtemping on startup a lot . We picked up many passengers after they offloaded .
Toruk Macto is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:18
  #10 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BNE
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by missy
TT had 4 airframes overnight at SYD, JQ about 8-10, VA anywhere between 10 &15, whilst it's true that a disruption causes QF fewer issues it's still likely to cause issues.

Removal or even relaxation of the curfew, yeah, good luck with that one!
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.

Maybe they could just get rid of fines but have no scheduled flights landing or departing after 2259.

It's crazy that if a pax fakes a heart attack at 2301, an aircraft near SYD can land without fine. Pax then has a sudden recovery & refuses medical help.
BNEA320 is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:22
  #11 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BNE
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ebt
That supposes that QQ actually want to touch RPT, which I can imagine they wouldn't want to do unless somebody was handling the distribution or underwriting it. Their biggest opportunity would be to pick up the VARA business (or even just the contracts) and focus on those. Those Fokkers won't hold up well doing regular runs up and down the coast with multiple sectors, short turns etc. Plus, there is the small issue of Qantas holding the largest stake in QQ at the moment - subject to the ACCC investigation.
Who said anything about RPT ? QQ could just do unlimited charters.

If they let JAT, Air Med in during pilots dispute, any OZ carrier would surely be allowed unlimited charter flights. Not up to CASA, up to transport minister, who would have tourism operators screaming at him for flights & therefore employment.

Of course QQ would need back up aircraft, but dont' they have 30 ish F70/F100s ? Add 14 of VARAs & you have nearly 50. Assuming 15-20 could be freed up, that's a decent fleet.
BNEA320 is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:30
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Best Place!
Posts: 208
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by BNEA320
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.
So the airline that Qantas owns 20% of, takes up the slack left by V2, and it is going to mean that these higher fares don't occur?

Last edited by mmmbop; 24th Apr 2020 at 08:30.
mmmbop is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:56
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Jungle
Posts: 638
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by BNEA320
Not up to CASA, up to transport minister, who would have tourism operators screaming at him for flights & therefore employment.
Ever heard of this thing called an AOC?
smiling monkey is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 08:43
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Posts: 2,461
Received 290 Likes on 112 Posts
Originally Posted by smiling monkey
Ever heard of this thing called an AOC?
Monkey, BNE320 is simply a travel agent or aviation enthusiast, one of those, who has very little idea about the real world and comes up with all these stupid ideas that would not work. So no, he probably doesn’t understand what an AOC is.
morno is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 09:21
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,268
Received 31 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by BNEA320
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.

Maybe they could just get rid of fines but have no scheduled flights landing or departing after 2259.

It's crazy that if a pax fakes a heart attack at 2301, an aircraft near SYD can land without fine. Pax then has a sudden recovery & refuses medical help.
Thee should be higher fares to cover costs. Virgin has just proved that you can't sell $10 tickets for $9 and stay in business. As for Alliance as an option that is not on Scotty's radar...
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 10:09
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: australia
Posts: 172
Received 11 Likes on 7 Posts
Originally Posted by Kagamuga
ebt !

Do some homework first; what a turkey you are ...
The Fokker 70, 100, F28, has been the backbone of Air Niugini for 40 years now in one variation or another.
Robust, reliable, can take enourmus punishment and they even fly very short sectors of of 15 to 30 minutes.
Take a look at the time expired airframes at Port Moresby on the rubbish dump. No modern aircraft can match a Fokker.

And as an added bonus PX ignored the volcanic ash warnings of recent times and there is plenty of video on the internet of the Fokker's landing in the ash at Hoskins and Tokua. I did not see anu of the "Roller" engines being changed!
Maybe you shouldn't live in the past. The reason Alliance have so many F100s is because they are tired and break down, The oldest RJ in Australia is younger than the youngest F100, and that's saying something. They're great for FIFO as they aren't worked hard and obviously cheap, but aren't up to the tempo of RPT.
exfocx is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 13:27
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Perth
Posts: 185
Received 18 Likes on 8 Posts
Could F50s return to WA with Alliance as well?
Saintly is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 20:59
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Weltschmerz-By-The-Sea, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,362
Received 76 Likes on 34 Posts
Sigh. I sometimes wonder if the original poster is regaling us with snippets of his fever dreams.

Here's a gem that I had last night: Some bloke on gumtree was selling a low hour 737-800, mostly in QF colours, but it also had some army camouflage and one wingtip had Tiger stripes. Make of that what you will.
Australopithecus is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 21:06
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Australopithecus, love to see a photo of that!
BalusKaptan is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2020, 21:47
  #20 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 1996
Location: Utopia
Posts: 7,395
Received 181 Likes on 108 Posts
Someone forget
  • Alliance is 19% owned by Qantas.
  • I doubt F70 and F100 seat/mile costs are lower than a modern B737 or Airbus seat/mile costs.
  • They would need a lot more than an extra 14 x F100's to even scratch the trunk route markets.
Airlines don't usually run a major domestic scheduled air service with aircraft over 24 years old, built by a company that went bankrupt and ceased operating 24 years ago.
tail wheel is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.