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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 23:32
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allow Air New Zealand in to fly as second domestic airline. Jobs for all.

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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Boe787
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Any cheap fare offered for overseas travel,will gain little traction, until there is a treatment or a vaccine.
This is because, most if not all travel insurance companies will not provide cover for this pandemic.
Therefore if you did take the cheap fare, went to say the USA, got the virus, probably wouldn’t kill you....but the US medical bill would possibly send you to the cleaners financially!
But most of the civilised world doesn't have a for profit sickness industry like the US does.

Don't forget if people don't travel then no one buys travel insurance and that harms the insurers. It's in their interest to get people travelling again. What I forsee is a risk based approach to applying premiums with more emphasis based on destination, age, underlying conditions etc. Maybe Aus/NZ/Pacific Islands will be classed as the most insurable once the infections are down to near zero levels, then Asia or Europe, and then the nations that make mega bucks off sickness like America will have the most scrutiny applied to them. For instance you may only be insured for US travel if you are under a certain age or have no pre-existing conditions with a mandatory medical checkup required prior to travel.


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Old 24th Apr 2020, 01:51
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allow Air New Zealand in to fly as second domestic airline. Jobs for all.
Where do you get that stuff you're smoking?
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 02:42
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Originally Posted by oldm8ey
Where do you get that stuff you're smoking?
air nz could fly domestically in oz right now(when borders open). AFAIK they would have minimal dealings with CASA, as they would be flying under NZCAA rules.

All part of SAM (single aviation market)

Just like JQ flying domestically in NZ.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 02:43
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
Boe787 got it right. No covid travel insurance then no International tourism.
corona is just another version of a really bad flu. Insurance companies will work it out.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 02:58
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Air NZ is running out of money fast, I think a few people here are in La La land if they think that airlines at the moment are looking to expand to new territories.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:12
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Air NZ is running out of money fast, I think a few people here are in La La land if they think that airlines at the moment are looking to expand to new territories.
all airlines are running out of money fast.

The high yielding BNE-SYD-MEL market would be very profitable. They could throw 1/2 dozen or so A320s on the triangle anytime they felt like it.
They could also offer routes from other OZ ports, that don't exist now to USA/Canada etc, with 1 stop in AKL. Sure beats changing terminals at BNE, SYD, MEL.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:33
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
Two things that you may have forgotten

At the moment borders throughout the whole world are shut. Your Prime Minister has said that Australia will be closed until at least December...
Do you have a link to that Chris?

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:40
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Originally Posted by waren9
Do you have a link to that Chris?

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& all borders could open in few months.

Govts don't seem to give a stuff about int airlines, they want Australians to spend their dollars in Australia, but if Australians are not flying internationally, then the same int airlines aren't bringing in tourists, which we need desperately.

Govts want Australians booking their end of year holidays in Australia. Doesn't matter how cheap an int airfare is, if you've already booked a week or 2 at the beach. If people don't have confidence that int flights will be operating by a certain date, they won't book them to start with, just in case, they have to go through all the credit or refund stuffing around.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 03:41
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Originally Posted by BNEA320
air nz could fly domestically in oz right now(when borders open). AFAIK they would have minimal dealings with CASA, as they would be flying under NZCAA rules.

All part of SAM (single aviation market)

Just like JQ flying domestically in NZ.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 04:38
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You say it like it is nothing, just chuck 12 A320's over into OZ, I am sure there is enough money in the spare change jar to start quite a significant overseas operation at the drop of a hat. It will be really cheap to just employ 120 ish flight crew, 300 cabin crew or do you propose to have 24 full crews night stopping every night in Australia on full Air NZ terms and conditions. Would local pilots allow a foreign operator to base aircraft there but use NZ based crews or are you suggesting an Australian based employer like Jetstar does in NZ, this was only attractive to Jetstar as NZ crews are cheaper than EBA crews, the same wouldn't be true the other way around. Not to mention this is such a great time to be investing tens of millions in a satellite operation that may or may not be profitable.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Air NZ is running out of money fast, I think a few people here are in La La land if they think that airlines at the moment are looking to expand to new territories.
Yep, that's what I meant. You put it much more eloquently.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
You say it like it is nothing, just chuck 12 A320's over into OZ, I am sure there is enough money in the spare change jar to start quite a significant overseas operation at the drop of a hat. It will be really cheap to just employ 120 ish flight crew, 300 cabin crew or do you propose to have 24 full crews night stopping every night in Australia on full Air NZ terms and conditions. Would local pilots allow a foreign operator to base aircraft there but use NZ based crews or are you suggesting an Australian based employer like Jetstar does in NZ, this was only attractive to Jetstar as NZ crews are cheaper than EBA crews, the same wouldn't be true the other way around. Not to mention this is such a great time to be investing tens of millions in a satellite operation that may or may not be profitable.
That would prob come under the "subsidiary jet operation" which means, under the agreement, must be operated by Air NZ crew. No outsourcing for Air NZ.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 05:53
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Originally Posted by BNEA320
corona is just another version of a really bad flu. Insurance companies will work it out.
You've been watching too much Trump, We can immunise against flu, we can't against Corona. Also, I'd rather science sorted Corona and not insurance.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:28
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
You say it like it is nothing, just chuck 12 A320's over into OZ, I am sure there is enough money in the spare change jar to start quite a significant overseas operation at the drop of a hat. It will be really cheap to just employ 120 ish flight crew, 300 cabin crew or do you propose to have 24 full crews night stopping every night in Australia on full Air NZ terms and conditions. Would local pilots allow a foreign operator to base aircraft there but use NZ based crews or are you suggesting an Australian based employer like Jetstar does in NZ, this was only attractive to Jetstar as NZ crews are cheaper than EBA crews, the same wouldn't be true the other way around. Not to mention this is such a great time to be investing tens of millions in a satellite operation that may or may not be profitable.
ah there are a couple of kiwi pilots sitting on their butts right now. A couple of 100.

Suggest BNE-SYD-MEL would be far more profitable without V2, than any NZ routes apart from maybe AKL/WLG.

Local pilots have no say in it.

It'd be just like the pilots dispute, where almost anything goes.

Tourism is far too important with too many jobs hanging on reasonably priced flights & plenty of them.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 07:23
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Originally Posted by BNEA320
air nz could fly domestically in oz right now(when borders open). AFAIK they would have minimal dealings with CASA, as they would be flying under NZCAA rules.

All part of SAM (single aviation market)

Just like JQ flying domestically in NZ.
They can't - they don't have the money and the $900M requires then to reopen ALL NZ domestic points otherwise no money
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 07:38
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Do you have a link to that Chris?

Thanks.
Sorry waren I don't. It's just another of the thousand or so articles I see daily on the verdammt disease. I have good memory that sometimes work when I'd rather it didn't.

Found it: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...10-p54iw4.html
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