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Old 18th Apr 2020, 16:14
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These comments coming from a country that has been more than happy to sell it self (literally) ton by ton to China are really too much
I think you'll find that the average Joe has no say in who 'buys' Australia. That average Joe may be happy to buy Australian produced product if the Australian industry had the same government support as the imported. I reckon you'll also find that the majority of western nations are 'owned' by the Chinese, not just Australia.

In the coming years, you, from wherever you reside, may be making the same comments. Unless of course you come from you know where.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 16:43
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“we don't eat bats and dogs”

No, but we eat pigs and chickens and other animals that can cause a zoonotic disease to become a pandemic such as swine flu.

Covid appears to have originated in China, however there is nothing to suggest the next one won’t originate in Australia or America or Europe.

“we do have a certain moral ethic”

Really? History may disagree.

“One thing stands out for sure, and that is something that happened in a communist dictatorship has wrecked the economies of every Western country”

Right now the global economy is in free fall not because of Covid 19, although this pandemic will certainly make things worse.

The economy is in melt down because the 2008 financial crisis never went away, central banks around the world simply continued pumping liquidity into an economic regime that was no longer functioning.

It worked for a decade but now the same banking and finance malfeasance and trickery that was a hallmark of the GFC has once again placed the world on the edge of economic collapse and the pandemic is being employed as a timely smokescreen.

“Dont forget that chinese kids get taught during their education that the chinese culture is superior over all the rest of this planet.”

You see the same overtones being taught in schools here in the US, exceptionalism occurs everywhere.

“My real sympathy is with developing countries China is taking over whole economies, they don’t care who they deal with, any despotic regime or rebel group, payment in arms,”

Do you think its any different when America or Belgium or France or the UK take over developing countries?


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Old 18th Apr 2020, 18:57
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Originally Posted by dboy
I would not be surprised that the chinese (the yellow plague i call them) deliberately delayed giving information about covid-19, knowing that this would evolve chaos and this would be regarded as a benefit for them and getting a more grip on countries and companies. ( look at their recent charming offensive in Italy).

Dont forget that chinese kids get taught during their education that the chinese culture is superior over all the rest of this planet. They simply despise every other culture.

I think it is time that the US and Europe should work more together to oppose the yellow plague.
That is exactly the same in the US. At least the Chinese get out of their country and experience other cultures. Most Americans think Florida is “exotic”.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 19:02
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Originally Posted by John Citizen
Australia was seen as "terra nullius" (nobody's land) back then. Nobody invaded anything. Unsettled land was colonised

The first fleet was mostly convicts (over 700 convicts, or over 50%) who came to set up a penal colony. There were only about 300 officers onboard (to look after the convicts no doubt, and not to fight a war).

I don't believe they would be dragging with them over 700 convicts and only 300 officers if they were going to invade anyone (fight battles/go to war).

Out of the 11 ships in the first fleet, 6 were convict transports. Since when do you use so many convicts/convict ships to invade ?



It doesn't sound like an invasion to me.
Again pretty much like the pilgrims in America. Look at the native Indians and just think they are unintelligent savages so they have the right to take anything.

Best to think the “civilised” world back then weren’t so civilised. Just about the money and power.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 19:06
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Originally Posted by Lambswool
Thats a big negative.

J Citizen . Well said!

Now, back to the topic. The OP's comments are certainly valid. We have been experiencing a chinese take over across all parts of the world by stealth for a number of years. Recent events may very well of been constructed or if not, will at least be used to their benefit in the greater long term plan.
Stop thinking VA is their motivating reason and more as an example of what we can expect into the future. Depressions are not always bad news, for those who have money tucked away come out the other end in a pretty good position.
Im sorry but even if what you say is true and China is “buying up” large parts of the worlds economy, what is the difference to the US doing that for the last 50 years? It’s just a cycle. 50 years from now it will be someone else.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 19:49
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Originally Posted by highflyer40
Im sorry but even if what you say is true and China is “buying up” large parts of the worlds economy, what is the difference to the US doing that for the last 50 years? It’s just a cycle. 50 years from now it will be someone else.
But they don’t look like us...
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Dookie on Drums
I haven't had that dish...Spicy?
you didn’t notice my intentional typo... 😈


for anyone interested in “The Plan”, you can read all about what China have in stock here:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

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Old 18th Apr 2020, 20:57
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
So the Chinese unleashed Covid to gain control of VA, wow I didn’t see the brilliance in that plan....
That is the funniest thing I’ve read here in months.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 21:23
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The biggest problem with China, in regards to the virus and as many have said, is CHINA NOT TELLING THE WORLD!

Anyone who thinks some comments on here are racist, I'd suggest they go live in China. China is at the top of pile in these STACKS.

I think the original poster was commenting on opportunistic buying around the world, especially in 3rd world countries, for years now! VA may be another opportunity for the Chinese (amongst many more), on very favourable terms.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 21:46
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It would seem that China is the 9th largest source of investment in Australia (Hong Kong is 5th).

Perhaps we should be discussing investment from the US, UK, Belgium & Japan first?

https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/resour...s-in-australia
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 22:16
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Well said slats11
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 22:29
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
So the Chinese unleashed Covid to gain control of VA, wow I didn’t see the brilliance in that plan....
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Seems like a convoluted plan when they could of just waited another 12 months for Virgin to go bankrupt of their own accord.
You two don't seem to understand the original post is written about Virgin Australia because it's probably what Lazyload had in mind, but it's pretty obvious that the whole reasoning is still valid at a much larger scale.

Just imagine the first post written exactly the same, except, replace "Virgin Australia" by "Virgin Australia and a ****ton of other companies around the world, in all sectors, that will go bankrupt and available for a cheap sale"
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 23:16
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And while everybody has their eye off the ball and resources depleted...
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...outh-china-sea

We were absolute mugs to not stand up earlier to the magical formation of Sovereign territory on reefs 1000km from the Mainland, with runways, compounds, armament - purely for “defence purposes” of course you realize. 😡

Standby for an island to open near you soon.

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Old 18th Apr 2020, 23:25
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Standby for an island to open near you soon
Yep - It's called VAH, proudly owned by the Chinese government coming to an airport near you.

Australians beware.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 23:45
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Originally Posted by layman
It would seem that China is the 9th largest source of investment in Australia (Hong Kong is 5th).
Careful. Hong Kong is China. Saying otherwise on your booking website or inflight mag will get your Operating Rights revoked.

Thin skinned people in charge..(sorry, is that racist?)
Toe the Party Line please.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 23:49
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I don’t subscribe to the deliberate “weaponised” release of this virus theory. I do believe that China will be looking at what they can do right now to benefit China.They certainly won’t be ruminating about who did what and whether it’s fair or not, they will be focused on their interests.

Maybe our nation needs to take a leaf out of their book....
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 00:23
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Nobody seems to have picked up on his "oh by the way killed millions of people". It may, but it hasn't. Just over a tenth that many. Someone may not know the difference between 'killed' and infected.'.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 00:46
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“8 posts and you have it figured. Impressive.” Quite correct back then but this one makes it 9. Just one more and I’ll be able to post a link which I’d really like you to read.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 00:56
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Kaypam, they say don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. I think you bought the dessert fork. To be fair I think there are a few loose kangaroos in the paddock on this thread right now. Anyway back to aviation....
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 00:58
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Originally Posted by Lazyload
Let's get the timeline in perspective:

January - Chinese virus takes hold in Wuhan (Many deaths, but a small sacrifice in things to come)
February to April - Virus escapes China to the western world, destroying jobs, companies and the economy in general of pretty much every western country, and by the way, kills over a million people.
April - Entire world's airlines sent to the brink of survival. Flights stopped. Aircraft grounded, pilots, CC and support staff stood down. No international flights for a year? The world grinds to a halt.
April - Virgin AustralIa on the brink of bankruptcy. But it's only the first to fall. We know there will be many others.
Arpril 17 - Three Chinese government-owned airlines emerge as the white knights to take over Virgin Australia, at rock bottom fire sale price. (The endgame comes into focus)

Well, my friends, do you see the picture here, the irony of how this pandemic plays out? Who suffers and who profits? Who started the mess and who will benefit from it? Who will lose and who will win? We understand that Australian Foreign Investment Review Board has expanded its powers to specifically prevent foreign (PC purists, please read "Chinese") take-over of undervalued Australian assets, as a result of COVID. It seems Virgin may slip under the radar. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Next thing, God forbid, we might lease our northern harbours to them. Those same harbours that re-supply military assets, in place to counter a threat from antagonists that we are afraid to name. Madness!

Our problem is that we're too PC. We've evolved. We don't kill live animals in wet markets, we don't eat bats and dogs, we do have a certain moral ethic. Anyway what's your view? This is no time to sit on the fence and hope that the problem just goes away - it won't. I'm afraid to say it's just starting.
Yeah, a lot of money is going to be made on this, just not by the working slobs.
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