Social distancing a joke
If you really think about the impact of obeying the 1.5 meter rule inside a commercial aircraft, you would quickly realise that if it was obeyed, no aircraft would be flying. Why? Because the 1,5 meter rule does not just mean side to side. It also means behind and in front. So leaving the middle seat empty is one thing, but you would also need to leave the row in front and behind empty. Work out your load factor. Then ask if it would be economical for any aircraft to take off when it is less than a third full.
But yes of course there are gross and glaring inconsistencies with this social distancing and you don’t need to look at an occasional activity for the general public like air travel. People are cramming into trains and busses everyday.
As for hoping for a vaccine. You may have noticed some softening of the language surrounding this from our politicians especially Gladys. Her last press conference didn’t mention finding a vaccine at all instead saying when we find drugs that can treat it. Why?
Two facts;
one. HIV AIDS has been around for over 35 years, killed millions and costs many more millions in medical costs per year in treatment. There has been a worldwide effort to find a vaccine since it started and god knows how many man hours and billions spent to that end. There is still no vaccine.
two. This new WuHu bat stew corona virus is a new strain of corona virus. To date , THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR ANY CORONA VIRUS. The normal flu is not a corona virus.
So IF we ever develop a vaccine for this it will be a first for corona virus. And corona viruses were first discovered in the 1930s
But yes of course there are gross and glaring inconsistencies with this social distancing and you don’t need to look at an occasional activity for the general public like air travel. People are cramming into trains and busses everyday.
As for hoping for a vaccine. You may have noticed some softening of the language surrounding this from our politicians especially Gladys. Her last press conference didn’t mention finding a vaccine at all instead saying when we find drugs that can treat it. Why?
Two facts;
one. HIV AIDS has been around for over 35 years, killed millions and costs many more millions in medical costs per year in treatment. There has been a worldwide effort to find a vaccine since it started and god knows how many man hours and billions spent to that end. There is still no vaccine.
two. This new WuHu bat stew corona virus is a new strain of corona virus. To date , THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR ANY CORONA VIRUS. The normal flu is not a corona virus.
So IF we ever develop a vaccine for this it will be a first for corona virus. And corona viruses were first discovered in the 1930s
Last edited by Foxxster; 17th Apr 2020 at 22:57.
the price does only go one way.. untill it doesn’t. Flying could get a lot more expensive.. and a lot more profitable for the remaining carriers.
untill of course it then gets more packed and cheaper again
untill of course it then gets more packed and cheaper again
You made the choice to travel. Personally I would have not made that choice.
What did you expect?
It is so easy to have a go at the person with the "blank stare" What did that accomplish?
It is so easy to have a go at the person with the "blank stare" What did that accomplish?
I said: I did not have a problem with the full flight. I have a problem with the hypocrisy of the social distancing crap when you are seated and inch away from the person beside you.
I chose to fly on the flight NO PROBLEM and would do it every day of the week.
I received the blank stare, I asked a question of why social distance in the aerobridge when the flight is full??
thats the US navy a different country. The US navy made the decision that the health and safety of the crew was lower than keeping the carrier on station until they got embarrased enough to pull it and other infected carriers off station
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His job, not hers.
If he was doing his job, why wasn't he ensuring social distancing on the aircraft? Or was that part of it conveniently forgotten? Love to see the internal memo on that one 'Social distance at the the checkin an aerobridge, but **** it, don't worry about the seating'.
Perhaps you should GFYS you inbred.
Cabin crew are not responsible for allocating seats to passengers you clown. It shows you have NFI how the industry works. Pity this website has degenerated to a forum for enthusiasts and plane spotters.
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Hoosten..
I was on the VIrgin flight SYD MEL on the day you mention (April 13) and I can assure you that the middle seats were not blocked off. Sure there were some that were vacant as it was not a totally full flight, but there were many rows, including mine, that had all three seats occupied
I understand your position on the pointlessness of social distancing in the lounge/aerobridge, when you are boarding an aircraft where social distancing can’t really apply, but really, a “a death stare” towards someone just doing his/her job and asking for social distancing on the bridge?
In fact the Cabin Crew, Check In staff etc should be praised, as on your flight (and every other no matter what brand) put themselves at risk due to having more close contact with passengers than you most likely would have had.
So as frustrating pointless requirements may be, perhaps cut a little slack, and leave the “death stare” for times it might have a place.
I know for a fact that Virgin at that time were blocking the middle seat.
I understand your position on the pointlessness of social distancing in the lounge/aerobridge, when you are boarding an aircraft where social distancing can’t really apply, but really, a “a death stare” towards someone just doing his/her job and asking for social distancing on the bridge?
In fact the Cabin Crew, Check In staff etc should be praised, as on your flight (and every other no matter what brand) put themselves at risk due to having more close contact with passengers than you most likely would have had.
So as frustrating pointless requirements may be, perhaps cut a little slack, and leave the “death stare” for times it might have a place.
Did you not read ALL of my post??
I said: I did not have a problem with the full flight. I have a problem with the hypocrisy of the social distancing crap when you are seated and inch away from the person beside you.
I chose to fly on the flight NO PROBLEM and would do it every day of the week.
I received the blank stare, I asked a question of why social distance in the aerobridge when the flight is full??
Right. Here's the answer, since you are being a little bitch about it.
The folks at the gate are simply doing their job as instructed.
When you are on the aircraft and seated in your allocated seat, your position relative to others is documented. Subsequent identification of cases proximate to your seat can be assessed, and you will be notified of such and further action may be required.
Your proximity to others in the Terminal or Bridge cannot be assessed.
It's pretty simple. Do as you are instructed. You may not be the smartest guy in the room.
were not blocked off
Can't you read the set allocation on your boarding pass?
So deciphering a seat allocation is above some peoples pay scales.
It used to frustrate me no end that pax could not read or listen to simple briefings and act on those briefings.
I had a plane full of US lawyers on a flight when we had pressurisation failure and the masks dropped down. NOT ONE of the pax put their mask on.
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Been flying and paxing for lots of years, occasionally get the pax seat wrong....just like I get sometimes get out of the Elevator at the wrong floor for Crew Hotel Accommodation.
601, I think it may be just human nature.
But off topic...apologies.
601, I think it may be just human nature.
But off topic...apologies.
Cabin crew are not responsible for allocating seats to passengers you clown. It shows you have NFI how the industry works. Pity this website has degenerated to a forum for enthusiasts and plane spotters.
All hail the superior non enthusiast and non-plane spotter. With the language you use you're the professional paragon of virtue? Give it up you arse clown. Who said that allocating seats was up to cabin crew? If an employee of mine can't take a message from a customer back to management;
'Hey, a customer brought up a valid point today about the conflicting message of social distancing in the aerobridge but jammed into a full flight'
Then I wouldn't employ them. You are one of these cretins who can't think for themselves obviously.
Right. Here's the answer, since you are being a little bitch about it.
The folks at the gate are simply doing their job as instructed.
When you are on the aircraft and seated in your allocated seat, your position relative to others is documented. Subsequent identification of cases proximate to your seat can be assessed, and you will be notified of such and further action may be required.
Your proximity to others in the Terminal or Bridge cannot be assessed.
It's pretty simple. Do as you are instructed. You may not be the smartest guy in the room.
Don't bull**** to me mate, either social distance including in the cabin, or don't. Don't peddle your bull**** when it is clearly about money.
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I was on the VIrgin flight SYD MEL on the day you mention (April 13) and I can assure you that the middle seats were not blocked off. Sure there were some that were vacant as it was not a totally full flight, but there were many rows, including mine, that had all three seats occupied
I understand your position on the pointlessness of social distancing in the lounge/aerobridge, when you are boarding an aircraft where social distancing can’t really apply, but really, a “a death stare” towards someone just doing his/her job and asking for social distancing on the bridge?
In fact the Cabin Crew, Check In staff etc should be praised, as on your flight (and every other no matter what brand) put themselves at risk due to having more close contact with passengers than you most likely would have had.
So as frustrating pointless requirements may be, perhaps cut a little slack, and leave the “death stare” for times it might have a place.
So Black Maria, I don't want an apology for your clearly mis-leading and embellished quotes regarding my previous posts. I'm not a precious baby like some commenting on this thread. But an acknowledgement and retraction of that post is appropriate.
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Hoosten hi again,
My post was somewhat supportive of you, but did correct a misconception that you had regards the the middle seat being “blanked out” on the Virgin flight as you erroneously suggest, I was on that flight, you were not.. I think first hand experience beats second hand say so, does it not.?
Your level of angst, vitriol, is quite terrible really, but i accept that you are probably extremely stressed ( aren’t we all atm) so I won’t label you as a troll, but rather advise you contact Lifeline.
Anyway, I hope you can hang in there.....Cheers
My post was somewhat supportive of you, but did correct a misconception that you had regards the the middle seat being “blanked out” on the Virgin flight as you erroneously suggest, I was on that flight, you were not.. I think first hand experience beats second hand say so, does it not.?
Your level of angst, vitriol, is quite terrible really, but i accept that you are probably extremely stressed ( aren’t we all atm) so I won’t label you as a troll, but rather advise you contact Lifeline.
Anyway, I hope you can hang in there.....Cheers
Black Maria, for the most part, my 'vitriol' is in return to derogatory comments that are made to me. I don't start the name calling but I'll certainly return it.
In regards to the seat blocking, I'm only telling you what I was told, I didn't contradict you, I was told by a Virgin employee (good friend) and I believed it to be true at the time.
Nuance is lost on a bulletin board, you may think I'm distressed for some reason? I'm not, but what I don't like is being bull****ted to when clearly, it's bull****.
I'll say it again, either social distance, or don't, there's no in between.
Good hygiene, consideration for the people around you, i.e. sneezing and coughing into a tissue and not shaking hands or physical contact was good enough for me on this flight.
And your post quoting me is clearly embellishment, incorrect and well, bull**** or extremely poor comprehension.
And this rubbish? Are you serious? Get a grip. Pure deflection from your rubbish misrepresentation of my post.
In regards to the seat blocking, I'm only telling you what I was told, I didn't contradict you, I was told by a Virgin employee (good friend) and I believed it to be true at the time.
Nuance is lost on a bulletin board, you may think I'm distressed for some reason? I'm not, but what I don't like is being bull****ted to when clearly, it's bull****.
I'll say it again, either social distance, or don't, there's no in between.
Good hygiene, consideration for the people around you, i.e. sneezing and coughing into a tissue and not shaking hands or physical contact was good enough for me on this flight.
And your post quoting me is clearly embellishment, incorrect and well, bull**** or extremely poor comprehension.
Your level of angst, vitriol, is quite terrible really, but i accept that you are probably extremely stressed ( aren’t we all atm) so I won’t label you as a troll, but rather advise you contact Lifeline.
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Interesting study out of Stanford in California that estimates actual fatality rate at 0.1-0.2% based on antibody testing in Northern California:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01095-0
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01095-0
