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Old 17th Apr 2020, 07:32
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Social distancing a joke

Perhaps someone who has recently flown with Virgin or Qantas can confirm or deny. Had a report of nearly every seat occupied on one of these two carriers. Another of a Herc arriving somewhere with a mob of military personnel jammed in like sardines, who were ordered to disembark at 2 metre intervals "for the benefit of the media".
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But if true, it does prove that one can be a little bit pregnant after all.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 07:42
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A family member travelled BNE-SYD on the 14th. with Qantas on a 737, all middle seats empty in an attempt at "social distancing"..!
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 08:20
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Originally Posted by zlin77
A family member travelled BNE-SYD on the 14th. with Qantas on a 737, all middle seats empty in an attempt at "social distancing"..!
How else would you do it without turning it into a private jet?
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 08:39
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
Perhaps someone who has recently flown with Virgin or Qantas can confirm or deny. Had a report of nearly every seat occupied on one of these two carriers. Another of a Herc arriving somewhere with a mob of military personnel jammed in like sardines, who were ordered to disembark at 2 metre intervals "for the benefit of the media".
If not true, please bear in mind this IS a rumour network.
But if true, it does prove that one can be a little bit pregnant after all.

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On commerical aviation middle seat on a seat of 3 unavailable if you want one for a family group you have to check in count, also if possible they will only seat you on every second row

As to military they are absolutely practicing social distancing where possible, units are also being segragated from each other. There are times when due to military situation social distancing is not a possible. But guys on base messing is done in shifts and social distancing, if you are caught actively breaking it on either on military or private time then charges or a penalties will be laid. I know of a few events where I am that has resulted in charges and loss of ranks. Military is not screwing around
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 08:47
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Ah, finally clicked on the meaning of ‘all middle seats’!
I had a vision of passengers seated at both ends of the cabin, with an empty mid section!!! (“Why?”) My imagination went to work. Because maybe stale air is extracted at either end I was guessing, and for ease of weight distribution so luggage could then be loaded in the middle of the hold. :nuts:
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 08:51
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Travelled SYD MEL on April 13 and it was a pretty full flight, with many of the rows in at least the front half of the aircraft 3 abreast. Kind of expected that to be the case as VA had just reduced their whole operation to one MEL SYD MEL a day. Pax beside me thought that there were some on board who had just completed mandatory 14 days in hotel quarantine after returning from overseas, so at least they should not have been carriers.

Big worry was that the flight was to MEL where the authorities believe that a $1000+ fine for individuals deemed to be breaking the social distancing rules is the way to go, and the majority of us, if not all, spent the whole hour and a bit well inside the 1.5 metre bubble.

The Press reported that a QF flight to BNE on the same day had a passenger test positive for Covid 19. Those in the nearby seats are now in 14 days isolation, as I am told first hand.

End of the day social distance when you can, but there will be times you simply can’t.

Risk you take when you sit in a narrow body tube with up to 180 plus other people.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
Perhaps someone who has recently flown with Virgin or Qantas can confirm or deny. Had a report of nearly every seat occupied on one of these two carriers. Another of a Herc arriving somewhere with a mob of military personnel jammed in like sardines, who were ordered to disembark at 2 metre intervals "for the benefit of the media".
If not true, please bear in mind this IS a rumour network.
But if true, it does prove that one can be a little bit pregnant after all.
In a herc, hahaha, good luck with that!

Rumour or not, the last bit with the choreographed exit "for the benefit of the media" ...now I'd believe that.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Black Maria
The Press reported that a QF flight to BNE on the same day had a passenger test positive for Covid 19. Those in the nearby seats are now in 14 days isolation, as I am told first hand.
Thats ok - the Qantas company vet told the staff you can't catch it on an aircraft
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A family member travelled BNE-SYD on the 14th. with Qantas on a 737, all middle seats empty in an attempt at "social distancing"..!
I find this dubious.

I arrived in Australia from the States on the 31st of March, spent two weeks in a Sydney hotel in isolation. I travelled from Sydney to Melbourne on the 13th of April on a Qantas 737.

Boarding Announcement:

'Qantas welcomes you aboard Flight 417, Sydney to Melbourne. This flight is full today. We advise you to strictly observe social distancing when presenting your boarding pass and in the aerobridge'

The social distancing point was emphasised on several occasions. I asked the person who made the announcement 'why social distance when you have a full flight? I'll be seated literally one inch from the person beside me' BLANK STARE from the obviously brainwashed fool making the announcement.

It was a full flight. Not only was my row full but the couple beside me had a bub. Four of us in the row.

I DID NOT have a problem with this flight being full, a bub being in the row with us etc, what I did have a problem with is the BULL**** HYPOCRACY from Qantas.

I know for a fact that Virgin at that time were blocking the middle seat.

Ask yourself why Qantas have a cluster of employees in Adelaide (250?) on lock down with multiple infections.

Ask yourself why Qantas is being investigated for standing down an employee in Sydney for raising concerns over covid19.

Qantas clearly has a culture issue. From attacking their opposition when clearly their focus should be on ensuring their survival, their employees safety and employment etc. So Virgin has enough money for 3-6 months and Qantas has 12 months, so that makes you better managed? They are managed by a narcissist, psychopath. Has anybody noticed that someone has obviously told the clown to STFU?




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Originally Posted by Hoosten

I find this dubious.

I arrived in Australia from the States on the 31st of March, spent two weeks in a Sydney hotel in isolation. I travelled from Sydney to Melbourne on the 13th of April on a Qantas 737.

Boarding Announcement:

'Qantas welcomes you aboard Flight 417, Sydney to Melbourne. This flight is full today. We advise you to strictly observe social distancing when presenting your boarding pass and in the aerobridge'

The social distancing point was emphasised on several occasions. I asked the person who made the announcement 'why social distance when you have a full flight? I'll be seated literally one inch from the person beside me' BLANK STARE from the obviously brainwashed fool making the announcement.

It was a full flight. Not only was my row full but the couple beside me had a bub. Four of us in the row.

I DID NOT have a problem with this flight being full, a bub being in the row with us etc, what I did have a problem with is the BULL**** HYPOCRACY from Qantas.

I know for a fact that Virgin at that time were blocking the middle seat.

Ask yourself why Qantas have a cluster of employees in Adelaide (250?) on lock down with multiple infections.

Ask yourself why Qantas is being investigated for standing down an employee in Sydney for raising concerns over covid19.

Qantas clearly has a culture issue. From attacking their opposition when clearly their focus should be on ensuring their survival, their employees safety and employment etc. So Virgin has enough money for 3-6 months and Qantas has 12 months, so that makes you better managed? They are managed by a narcissist, psychopath. Has anybody noticed that someone has obviously told the clown to STFU?

Well said!!!
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 11:37
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There will be a new normal coming in Airlines but let's face it not too many customers are happy to pay for the spacing seat to allow social distancing to happen. They expect someone else to cover it off lets say for the greater good. Effectively if an Airline does what it can for social distancing or more accurately seat map spacing for flights where they are not full that is good.

If they are full then it comes down to PPE and hygiene. Call it consideration for your fellow traveler.

Most International Airlines are leaving the last 2 to 3 rows free for an isolation zone. In the new world someone has to pay for that. Yes that will be the travelers.

If Customers say no I want the space between me and the next traveler then guess what. You will have to pay for it, Otherwise Airlines at a permanent 55% full will not be here.

It will be interesting to see the outcome as I expect once things get going there will be a natural focus on narrow body capacity as much as possible to cover off routes that don't need a wide body. This means of course more full flights once things come back.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 13:22
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I'll be seated literally one inch from the person beside me' BLANK STARE from the obviously brainwashed fool making the announcement.
You made the choice to travel. Personally I would have not made that choice.
What did you expect?
It is so easy to have a go at the person with the "blank stare" What did that accomplish?
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Originally Posted by Hoosten


The social distancing point was emphasised on several occasions. I asked the person who made the announcement 'why social distance when you have a full flight? I'll be seated literally one inch from the person beside me' BLANK STARE from the obviously brainwashed fool making the announcement.



Qantas clearly has a culture issue. From attacking their opposition when clearly their focus should be on ensuring their survival, their employees safety and employment etc. So Virgin has enough money for 3-6 months and Qantas has 12 months, so that makes you better managed? They are managed by a narcissist, psychopath. Has anybody noticed that someone has obviously told the clown to STFU?


Perhaps you should STFU, clown. The "obviously brainwashed fool making the announcement" was only doing her job and following company directives.
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Im genuinely gobsmacked that people are willfully getting on Commercial flights right now without dire need to do so
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Slaine
Im genuinely gobsmacked that people are willfully getting on Commercial flights right now without dire need to do so
We are stuck in our winter home because we are part of the vulnerable class and we will not take the chance to fly back to our summer home. We also will not take the loooong drive and stay in motels.....so here we set, waiting for a therapeutic at the very least.....and hoping for a miracle vaccine.
Speaking of Threraputics.... I could mention yet another one but some azzwhole would probably claim I was working for them.

Not sure WHEN we will feel safe enough to try the flight......Laurel and Hardy would have summed this virus up nicely....
" Well , here's another nice mess you've gotten me into "
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If Customers say no I want the space between me and the next traveler then guess what. You will have to pay for it, Otherwise Airlines at a permanent 55% full will not be here.
There is a price point where they will happily tootle around 55% full making a profit.
The cost per cubic meter of economy class space has fallen 94% since 1960, maybe it needs to rise a little for a change, or does the price only go one way?
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Oh really?

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On commerical aviation middle seat on a seat of 3 unavailable if you want one for a family group you have to check in count, also if possible they will only seat you on every second row

As to military they are absolutely practicing social distancing where possible, units are also being segragated from each other. There are times when due to military situation social distancing is not a possible. But guys on base messing is done in shifts and social distancing, if you are caught actively breaking it on either on military or private time then charges or a penalties will be laid. I know of a few events where I am that has resulted in charges and loss of ranks. Military is not screwing around
Mmm The military is not screwing around. Tell that to the crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt
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Originally Posted by 73qanda
There is a price point where they will happily tootle around 55% full making a profit.
The cost per cubic meter of economy class space has fallen 94% since 1960, maybe it needs to rise a little for a change, or does the price only go one way?
the price does only go one way.. untill it doesn’t. Flying could get a lot more expensive.. and a lot more profitable for the remaining carriers.
untill of course it then gets more packed and cheaper again
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:37
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There is a double standard here. Much of the initial spread of the virus occurred on cruise ships, where there is a lot more personal space than in an aeroplane.
Yet our risk management experts in government now say it is OK to allow 180 people to cram into a 30 metre sealed tube and sit there breathing recycled air for several hours, but not OK to sit at the beach or in an outdoor cafe.
If the concern is mental health and kick starting employment while balancing risk, some CDF needs to be applied.
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
There is a double standard here. Much of the initial spread of the virus occurred on cruise ships, where there is a lot more personal space than in an aeroplane.
Yet our risk management experts in government now say it is OK to allow 180 people to cram into a 30 metre sealed tube and sit there breathing recycled air for several hours, but not OK to sit at the beach or in an outdoor cafe.
If the concern is mental health and kick starting employment while balancing risk, some CDF needs to be applied.
I think most people know that the lockdown laws, social distancing etc is mostly ludicrous but the fools have stuck their necks out too far now to just say all bets are off use common sense! We don't even have uniform laws across the country! One state you can go fishing play golf in another state you will get fined for such activities.

The whole debacle has not only destroyed this countries economy but set up for life long mental health issues far greater than pre CV19!
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