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Old 6th Jan 2021, 05:20
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They won’t even contemplate looking at an EBA until 100% of schedule is reached domestic and international and for some time. So it could be 18% by the end of it at least.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 06:37
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A321N, +50 extra bodies (could go 244), is the future fleet. Pay should reflect that change in workload also.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 20:57
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A321N, +50 extra bodies (could go 244), is the future fleet. Pay should reflect that change in workload also.
Not being a smart arse here. What extra workload for pilots with +50 bodies?

Certainly take a little longer to load/ unload the SLF.

Also you can certainly fly a little longer so no doubt more overnights.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:21
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321N still classified as a NB aircraft so I’m not expecting anything. More overnights... yes please I want that I don’t want to do the daily grind in SY traffic and high toll prices.
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Workload, no. Responsibility yes. They’re asking us to increase our responsibility of our day to day by 12%.

anyway, this is a conversation for another time. Let’s focus on getting people their livelihoods back.
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Noticed the JQ 787 sim was going the other day.

Is this just a recency thing or something in the works for these guys?
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 03:06
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
Noticed the JQ 787 sim was going the other day.

Is this just a recency thing or something in the works for these guys?
Same people that are taking the parked ones out for an occasional spin round the block from AVV I'd imagine.
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 07:29
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Are you serious saying that you should get paid more for flying an A321N?
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 08:11
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Are you serious saying that you should get paid more for flying an A321N?
Did Qantas seriously pay their pilots more to fly a B747-400 compared to the classic?
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Are you serious saying that you should get paid more for flying an A321N?
Probably a good thing if the guys are already 9% and more down on pay.
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Are you serious saying that you should get paid more for flying an A321N?
What I’m saying is your workload is increasing, your company is squeezing more out of you, your responsibility is increasing, but your pay is either flat or heading backwards, and is way off where it should be. This is a Jetstar specific issue, Virgin pilots are paid significantly more than you (well on the current EBA) so I wouldn’t expect any allowances for the MAX10.

Overall base should take into account, half a fleet of 244 seaters. I’d argue your base isn’t even reflective of a 180 seat machine let alone something bigger. Your way behind. The Jetstar base isn’t a competitive offer vs what is on offer out in the western world. It’s one of those, do more for less Agreements. I do give you lot credit though for trying to change that during recent negotiations, it’s certainly no trade secret, that the current deal is poor.

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Old 10th Jan 2021, 22:09
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...and JetStars pay will tied to NETWORKs F100 pay as it introduces its A320 service coast to coast... been happening since ‘93 when the NJS BAE146 was brought in to parasite the mainline B737 operation , AJ is finally bringing Dixon’s grand plan to its final conclusion thanks to a worldwide pandemic... I hope that at least a skeleton B737 service will continue operations to keep all the mainline pilots heads above water , but JetStar has been parasiting their flying for years.
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 22:37
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Originally Posted by John Citizen
Did Qantas seriously pay their pilots more to fly a B747-400 compared to the classic?
The hourly rate was a few % higher on the B744 compared to the classic B747. The pilots were taking on some of the duties previously performed by the Flight Engineer although the recording of parameters was performed by onboard systems.
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If you're negotiating with the company then I wouldn't look at it from a "we're working harder" point of view I'd push the increased productivity point of view - speak $$$$ - their language.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 02:25
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If you're negotiating with the company then I wouldn't look at it from a "we're working harder" point of view I'd push the increased productivity point of view - speak $$$$ - their language.
Yes generally you get paid for what you carry rather than how much you fly. However management these days just make up whatever theory that suits their narrative.

You can bet your house though that if they introduced a smaller aircraft then they will be asking for a lower salary. It just doesn't suit them that pilots of a 30% bigger aircraft should get paid more.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 03:31
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For the ones claiming you should be paid more to fly the A321...

i guess you’ll be happy to take a pay cut when the A319’s arrive... less responsibility... less pay
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 03:56
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i guess you’ll be happy to take a pay cut when the A319’s arrive... less responsibility... less pay
Since when were any A319's ever coming?
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 03:57
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For the ones claiming you should be paid more to fly the A321...

i guess you’ll be happy to take a pay cut when the A319’s arrive... less responsibility... less pay
You renegotiate the contract to have a A319-A321 rates. Thats how the US airlines do it. It's a bit of freebie to the company to carry 30% more for free.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 04:03
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Once again, why renegotiate A319 rates if there aren't any?

Why not just include everything down to a C152 for a much lower rate if you want to be stupid?
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 04:33
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Originally Posted by John Citizen
Since when were any A319's ever coming?

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