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Old 12th Jan 2021, 22:48
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Anything is possible. While Alan is at Qantas Gerry will always have a wing to hide beneath. Mates rates runs very strong with Alan. If Alan ever leaves, then Gerrys lifeline will be gone and he would eventually follow Alan to another airline or somebody like Jayne would pick him up. Itís one big club and none of you are invited!
I sort of figured if he didnít pull him back down under, she most certainly would have. Looks like he moved first.

I am sure Jayne will find someone else in ops to plant in Brisbane.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 00:20
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
I sort of figured if he didnít pull him back down under, she most certainly would have. Looks like he moved first.

I am sure Jayne will find someone else in ops to plant in Brisbane.
Agreed. The initials JC come to mind. And thatís not Jesus Christ.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 05:37
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Would anyone really want to work to the US airline system? Your pay and pension (superannuation) can be cut at anytime and the furlough provisions make our current standowns look like a short break. It doesn't really matter what they are getting paid lets look at their conditions under which they work. Personally I would not want to be facing a standown everytime the economy had a hiccup.
Not just yes but f#ck yes. My last full year with Virgin I got paid AU$150k as a 5th year 73 FO. My tax summary for 2019 after 4 years with United was for US$230k as a 75/76FO. Flew about 600’ish hours. That’s just the pay. The work rules that I work under are iron clad and protected by ALPA in a way VIPA and the Feds couldn’t even begin to match.

I had about AU$70k in a super with the 9% Virgin put in by the time I left. I have US$570k in my US 401k after 5 years with United. They put in 16% and I add 10%. The conditions weren't bad at Virgin but they’re far better at United.

Oh and when I go to training, it’s a pleasure. The complete opposite at Virgin. In fact, I’d never been screamed at in 15 years as a commercial pilot, in the sim, until I experienced Virgin. It was an eye opening experience.

Not a d!ck swinging exercise but you made a statement without knowing the facts.

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Old 13th Jan 2021, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
Oh and when I go to training, itís a pleasure. The complete opposite at Virgin. In fact, Iíd never been screamed at in 15 years as a commercial pilot, in the sim, until I experienced Virgin. It was an eye opening experience.
Mr Ansett Trevor ĎTJí Jensen and former CASA DAS and Cathay zealot John Ďscreaming skullí McCormick set the bar for screaming angry, outbursts. And not in the SIM, try the live flight deck!!
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 11:48
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Kenny you have obviously done very well by getting into United at the start of first airlines golden age of the 21st century. I would be interested in hearing what you have to say after the next 5 years. I have never operated in the US but there is plenty of information about the US system. I reckon this bloke had a good idea of a career in the US: "Since September 11 2001, the airline industry has been ailing, and as a result of cutbacks, I've lost 40 percent of my salary. Meanwhile, the US Airways pension I thought I could count on was terminated in 2004, and a government-backed replacement plan is a very weak substitute."

So make hay while the sunshines, as history shows that you will face lean times and many disruptions in your career with United.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 14:20
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Lookleft,

This is a JQ thread and I don’t want to derail it but quickly....

I'm not under any illusion that it’s all rainbows and unicorns; I’m not a millennial and I just celebrated my 21st year in this wondrously glamorous career but your view, respectfully, is clouded by events of 20 years ago. It’s a view that many who haven’t worked here have and I do understand why.

US aviation was a very different animal in the years leading up to and post 9-11. The legacies had been mismanaged in an almost criminal way for years and 9-11 was the proverbial straw. I was here during that time and I’ve had many 2am chats somewhere over the Atlantic about it with guys that are are trying to make up for it, so I’m very aware of the pain that that time caused. Your quote is by a US airways pilot. A group that couldn’t have been more affected by what happened during that time and lost pretty much everything, not least pay and then seniority with a merger they tried to fight. For them it was the perfect storm of pain.

The legacies are now run by a very different breed and at least here, they do seem to have learnt from the past. Certainly from what I’ve seen and had the current sh!tstorm not happened, I think they would have continued on the path of constant improvement.

The question I responded to was “would you want to work in US aviation”. My reply was looking through the lenses of post 2010, pre Covid-19 and yet mindful of the events of 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t the place to be before then because I went through the nightmare of moving thousands of miles and starting at a new airline on a different continent. Had it not changed, I wouldn’t have then gone through that same nightmare again but for me, it was more about the pension and that I could afford to live where I wanted to, rather than where I could simply afford to. It should be pointed out that pensions are no longer controlled by the airlines.

I've always approached a job here, with the mindset that it could all disappear in a heartbeat but the irony is, had I stayed in Oz I would be out of a job and probably not have a roof over my head. I don’t have a McMansion, while german my cars aren’t brand new and I’m a bit OCD with saving money for a rainy day, so at this point I could be out of work for two years and still pay all the bills. I am extremely lucky, I know that and I speak weekly to my mates at VA, so I’m acutely aware of what an absolute nightmare it is downunder at the moment.

That’s the professional viewpoint. From a personal point of view, of course I wish I could bring my kids up in Oz or Euroland but it would come at a huge financial cost that I don’t have the years for. Hopefully, we all make the best decisions we can, considering all the information we have. As you said, the next 5 years will be interesting.

Now back to JQ and apologies for the thread drift.

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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:37
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Thanks Kenny for giving us the context of your earlier post. I hope you continue to do well over there. BTW the quote I gave was from Chesney Sullenberger. Back to the topic Jetstar will always be a place that you work hard and get paid well by community standards. As for its future I think it will devolve to a NB fleet that serves domestic and short range international leisure destinations. At the moment in Oz the most secure place to be is a NB pilot within the QF Group.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 20:37
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Whens the new EBA going to be up for neg?
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:04
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Come back in 5 years!
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