Air NZ pilot redundancies
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I’ve seen the FANZP comms and to be honest there was nothing in them I didn’t already know. They seem to contain a lot of pontificating, opinion, and graphs, that add nothing to what is already out there.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
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I’ve seen the FANZP comms and to be honest there was nothing in them I didn’t already know. They seem to contain a lot of pontificating, opinion, and graphs, that add nothing to what is already out there.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
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I’ve seen the FANZP comms and to be honest there was nothing in them I didn’t already know. They seem to contain a lot of pontificating, opinion, and graphs, that add nothing to what is already out there.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
I’ve seen the FANZP comms and to be honest there was nothing in them I didn’t already know. They seem to contain a lot of pontificating, opinion, and graphs, that add nothing to what is already out there.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
Can someone elaborate exactly how to the furloughed pilots feel let down? Do they think union membership would have affected wether or not they got furloughed or made redundant?
I have also read the “other” forums, and whilst there’s been the odd goood point made, it struck me that most of the posters hadn’t read their CEA, or the comms from the company and their union.
And no, I’m not an elected union offical or council member for either NZALPA or FANZP.
Anyway, you can think what you like. Unless there’s a change in leadership with a focus on the majority (not a select few, ARP??) I’m not the only one who won’t be back with ALPA when/ if we get rehired.
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Perhaps if you have a background from the links you probably have your “ear to the ground” a little more than those of us from the outside. I learnt more from Fed updates that were timely and frequent. Unlike the ALPA updates that came out after I’d read it from the Fed updates.
Anyway, you can think what you like. Unless there’s a change in leadership with a focus on the majority (not a select few, ARP??) I’m not the only one who won’t be back with ALPA when/ if we get rehired.
Anyway, you can think what you like. Unless there’s a change in leadership with a focus on the majority (not a select few, ARP??) I’m not the only one who won’t be back with ALPA when/ if we get rehired.
Regarding the ARP’s - I doubt there is a member out there who was interested in letting that happen. But I believe it was better for NZALPA to be at the table rather than not. Not being there has shot ourselves in the foot in the past. NZALPA rules are such that the union can’t pick and choose who it supports in that regard.
At the end of the day, I don’t care what union people choose to belong to. I have good friends in both. What bothers me is when misinformation is spread without people knowing the full story. I wonder how many concerned members went to any council meetings, to sit in and hear what is discussed? My guess is none as engagement is so low - until it affects an individual member. From what I’ve seen, the loudest most disaffected members eventuality put theirs hands up and get involved - and then go silent. Perhaps because they suddenly have a more detailed view of the massive amount of work the council do, and how that work is done. After all the union is us - the members.
For me, NZALPA is not perfect and it would be very easy to change unions, pay less fees and have access to the same licence insurance. But for me it’s not about who’s the cheapest. I’m proud to be part of a union that has the interest of aviation in general in New Zealand. Remember when Air New Zealand was attempting to get pilots added to the skill shortage list, thereby being able to import some cheap labour? It was NZALPA that fought that one through multiple channels. NZALPA has also done a phenomenal amount of work in the medical, drone, and airport certification (WLG RESA springs to mind) areas.
My sympathies go out to all those pilots who have been made redundant or furloughed. It’s a **** sandwich that’s for sure. I’m now not far off the bottom of the list myself.
Don’t worry. Jacinda’s elimination strategy will mean that NZ will stay in perpetual lockdown.
AM show this morning has a UK Govt specialist on who said that Jacinda needs to be real, drop her elimination strategy and learn to live with it. AUNZ are the only ones in the world in lockdown… I’m sure the world looks on at us and laughs.
Let’s get the furloughed guys back to work and start reopening like everywhere else in the world.
AM show this morning has a UK Govt specialist on who said that Jacinda needs to be real, drop her elimination strategy and learn to live with it. AUNZ are the only ones in the world in lockdown… I’m sure the world looks on at us and laughs.
Let’s get the furloughed guys back to work and start reopening like everywhere else in the world.
I find it very difficult to understand that, with 210 community cases in NZ due to one person on a red zone flight, they are talking of restarting red zone flights from next month.
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A "UK Government Specialist" has little credibility to this Kiwi. After all, look how well the UK has done so far.
I find it very difficult to understand that, with 210 community cases in NZ due to one person on a red zone flight, they are talking of restarting red zone flights from next month.
Public feedback on this has mirrored my thinking
I find it very difficult to understand that, with 210 community cases in NZ due to one person on a red zone flight, they are talking of restarting red zone flights from next month.
Public feedback on this has mirrored my thinking
In case there was any doubt: B772s are gone for good. B773s will be gone by 2027. Long haul to be made up of 20 B789/B78X.
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Don’t worry. Jacinda’s elimination strategy will mean that NZ will stay in perpetual lockdown.
AM show this morning has a UK Govt specialist on who said that Jacinda needs to be real, drop her elimination strategy and learn to live with it. AUNZ are the only ones in the world in lockdown… I’m sure the world looks on at us and laughs.
Let’s get the furloughed guys back to work and start reopening like everywhere else in the world.
AM show this morning has a UK Govt specialist on who said that Jacinda needs to be real, drop her elimination strategy and learn to live with it. AUNZ are the only ones in the world in lockdown… I’m sure the world looks on at us and laughs.
Let’s get the furloughed guys back to work and start reopening like everywhere else in the world.
Most provinces in Thailand are in lockdown too, that’s why if you’re after a Ford Ranger or Hilux in NZ you’re looking at even bigger delays as the factories are closed.
Delta is airborne now, it truely is like a new virus, not enough has been reported on how bad it really is.
In case there was any doubt: B772s are gone for good. B773s will be gone by 2027. Long haul to be made up of 20 B789/B78X.
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As they will own the remaining 77W’s - it wouldn’t surprise me if they do what a lot of airlines do, and the retirement date looms closer, and they keep them going.
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So the company had 21 widebody aircraft for the past two decades, but in the future, they’re planning on having a smaller widebody fleet? Despite the NZ pop growing by 20%?
As they will own the remaining 77W’s - it wouldn’t surprise me if they do what a lot of airlines do, and the retirement date looms closer, and they keep them going.
As they will own the remaining 77W’s - it wouldn’t surprise me if they do what a lot of airlines do, and the retirement date looms closer, and they keep them going.
Then there's the costs associated with running every hospital flat out ($5000 per ICU bed per day) for months. You're happy to support the long-term consequences of 'Long Covid', lots of people on long-term sickness benefit for years, requiring home oxygen support?
As much as you may hate lockdown's, we haven't had 1000's die, our economy is stronger than our competitors and our unemployment is lower than others, and to be fair, we had 176 days living a pretty normal life.
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AirNZ wont survive if we keep locking down fullstop.... I cant see the public having an appetite for many more billlion dollar bailouts(Loans written off in the future).
So what do you see as the exit strategy from this then? At the end of the day COVID is now with humanity forever and ALL a of us at some point will have COVID. We can now pretty much ensure that we don’t get seriously sick or die by having a vaccine, how long do we keep the borders shut after reaching 80% plus vaccination rate to protect those who don’t have the jab. You say are you ‘willing’ to accept 80 deaths a week, is this based on Boris saying 1,000 per week is acceptable in the UK, they currently and running at around 400 per week from COVID with a population of 60 million and his no doubt will drop as more get the jab. If we were to have a similar rate that would be about 30 per week. NZ currently has a death rate of just under 40,000 per year or 770 per week, in the UK COVID is killing about 1/5 of the number who die each week from cancer and about 1/5 the amount who die from Heart Disease, should we ban meat, nitrates, cigarettes and alcohol to try and reduce these down as well? So what is your plan, given Covid is going to be with us forever, how many more businesses do we sacrifice, how many peoples lives do we ruin, how many more suicides are acceptable in our quest to eliminate.
Your right, we havent had thousands die from covid but due to our governments response and the billions borrowed and spent, the outcome is far from over. The economic cost and the underlying mental and socio-economic factors will be felt worse in our small country for decades to come. We have to stop this thinking that we are any better than another country because we had these 'purchased freedoms'. I know people not getting cancer treatment they need during lockdowns and they will unfortunately die not to mention suicides ballooning and more poor people dying in emergency housing, These are DUE TO COVID but not counted.
AirNZ wont survive if we keep locking down fullstop.... I cant see the public having an appetite for many more billlion dollar bailouts(Loans written off in the future).
AirNZ wont survive if we keep locking down fullstop.... I cant see the public having an appetite for many more billlion dollar bailouts(Loans written off in the future).
200 Billion in debt hype!!! But as long as we keep the "eCoNoMy" going it's all good my bros!
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