50 Qantas staff Infected.

[Sunfish]

I say again, Police have told government that if they want policing, it’s a workcover claim if they get sick. The reason is that “social distancing “ is impossible during police work.

I assume paramedics and HCW are already the same.

An associated problem is supermarket and service station staff, actually all checkout staff, may take the same line.

Our CFA brigade is lucky to have a whole family or two of members who live together who can man the tanker. It’s heartening to see Dad and the kids turning out together. Us old farts are relegated to support and washing hoses until the pandemic is over.

We can happily discuss this subject after the pandemic.

[Sunfish]

Qantas have now doubled down. The class action against these Sydney charlie uniform november tangoes should’ve highly entertaining. It’s not workcover, it’s not sick leave, it’s nothing to do with us!
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as has defended its decision not to allow cabin crew who developed COVID-19 after being stood down access to their accrued sick leave entitlements, arguing there is "no job for them to be sick from" and that many of them became infected while on holidays.

Jokes aside, a simple statistical analysis of the work patterns of QF flying staff versus office staff will see Qantas exposed as lying two faced creeps, and judgement entered accordingly.

The 14 day latency is the key.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...rning/12142506

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It’s been very noticeable that the little Irish creep has gone very silent. That is often the case with the Leprechaun when serious issues are in play. Gutless little worm goes to ground and hides behind others skirts.

[normanton]

Funnily enough, despite all the bull**** Sunfish posts on this forum, I am going to agree with him on this one.

Anyone who was on long term sick leave before this happened, should remain on sick leave.

Anyone who catches the virus as a result of work should be on sick leave.

Qantas has dropped the ball on this one. Unacceptable.

[Sunfish]

750 Qantas staff quarantined.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/coron...c5b19ca569ff3f

[CaptCloudbuster]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

750 Qantas staff quarantined.

Great to see Qantas being a responsible Corporate Citizen doing the right thing by its People and the Community

Thanks for sharing Sunfish

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

Great to see Qantas being a responsible Corporate Citizen doing the right thing by its People and the Community

Thanks for sharing Sunfish

Agreed. Hopefully the isolation period for most will be far fewer than 14 days.

[Cloudee]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

Great to see Qantas being a responsible Corporate Citizen doing the right thing by its People and the Community

Thanks for sharing Sunfish

Credit where credit’s due but not sure Qantas had any choice, this was a health department directive, not a Qantas initiative.

[CaptCloudbuster]

I agree with you that the issue of People on long term sick leave could be handled better.

My view is that finally the QF Management Team are turning up with Leadership, an Plan to survive and great Communication in a crisis evolving hourly.

I am in the firing line also as a SH Pilot. Both from a health and financial perspective. I’m waiting for my stand down notice to come today or tomorrow for next BP. 2 weeks ago I was carrying plane loads of repatriating Cruise Ship pax.

Originally Posted by What The

Capt Cloudbuster
You care as much as the parasites stealing the JobKeeper.

To offer something in the way of balance, QF are allowing affected People to stand down unpaid in order to receive the full Job Keeper subsidy despite being permitted to request (that can’t be unreasonably refused) AL be used down to 2 weeks.

[Sunfish]

Now making International news.

I think CC have a good case.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ainst-covid-19

[CaptCloudbuster]

Less than 3 weeks ago President Trump was calling for the USA to reopen and fill Churches at Easter.

I have no reason to doubt (at this stage) QF Medical and Management acting and making decisions based on the best evidence at the time.

It will be interesting to follow this case to its conclusion.

Please keep us updated Sunfish.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/call...ry?id=70083860

[C441]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

I agree with you that the issue of People on long term sick leave could be handled better.

To offer something in the way of balance, QF are allowing affected People to stand down unpaid in order to receive the full Job Keeper subsidy despite being permitted to request (that can’t be unreasonably refused) AL be used down to 2 weeks.

Qantas are doing that for one reason and one reason alone. They need to preserve cash and forcing leave upon the staff will invariably cost them more cash, despite offsetting the cost with Jobkeeper, than they can retain by having no outgoings on leave payments.

I very much doubt it's been done as a gesture of goodwill.

[CaptCloudbuster]

Originally Posted by C441

Qantas are doing that for one reason and one reason alone. They need to preserve cash and forcing leave upon the staff will invariably cost them more cash.

That hypothesis sounds entirely plausible.

My points stand.

1) QF aren’t “stealing” Job Keeper and
2) QF Management have a plan to steer the Company though this unprecedented threat to its existence.

[Derfred]

How did this thread get hijacked? This is not a JobKeeper thread.

Qantas were forcing staff subject to quarantine or isolation due work to take annual leave in lieu of sick leave.

If they didn’t have any annual leave, then bad luck, no pay.

It seems that QF may have just recently reconsidered the policy. Presumably they were shamed into it by the media. That’s us.

[Sunfish]

Occupational Information Network (US Government) rates cabin crew as the highest risk category for Covid19 after HCW. 4 times the risk of a CEO.

So much for Qantas doctors.

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...?itok=RclEhfz8

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/the...-covid-19-risk

[CaptCloudbuster]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

Occupational Information Network (US Government) rates cabin crew as the highest risk category for Covid19 after HCW. 4 times the risk of a CEO.

Makes complete sense with 650 000 cases in the US

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Thankfully we only have 6500 cases here in Aus with a Domestic network of around 6% of normal

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

Thanks for sharing Sunfish.

[standard unit]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

Makes complete sense with 650 000 cases in the US

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Thankfully we only have 6500 cases here in Aus with a Domestic network of around 6% of normal

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

Thanks for sharing Sunfish.

Would Olivia's Angel not agree that "Australian International cabin crew" operating in an International environment (rescue/repatriation flights) be considered in the same category as those described the US Government Occupational Information Network ?

Yes, thank you Sunfish for sharing.

So much for Qantas doctors indeed....

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...16-p54kbz.html

[CaptCloudbuster]

I can’t speak on behalf of the “Angels”, however it is worth noting SU that QF have asked their FA’s to express a “willingness to work” for rosters covering at least the next three months. An acknowledgment that not all will feel comfortable performing their normal role at this time.

Bravo QF for taking a consultative, considerate and humane approach to Crewing in these uncertain times

[standard unit]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

I can’t speak on behalf of the “Angels”, however it is worth noting SU that QF have asked their FA’s to express a “willingness to work” for rosters covering at least the next three months. An acknowledgment that not all will feel comfortable performing their normal role at this time.

Bravo QF for taking a consultative, considerate and humane approach to Crewing in these uncertain times

Well noted that you have not answered my question.

[CaptCloudbuster]

The [rhetorical] question I’ve heard asked here is: Are Qantas behaving ethically toward their front line staff?

I’ve provided a counterpoint to demonstrate that in fact, yes they are.

I don’t apologise SU for the nuance in my contribution.