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Well well now that is funny, Bain. And of course the 0900-1500 Mum will be involved as she is a consummate expert on aviation matters as a C-level executive. The village idiots will love her style - diversity, colouring in with crayons, females first in the workplace, all the ridiculous fluffy nonsense that VA was promulgating too. Hell, the ‘specialist’ title will undoubtedly stay too!! Fun times.
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Para, have you put in a bid, everyone else in Australia is incompetent in your inflated opinion. Have a go. Not sure you could do it a grenade chucker, you would have to be seen.
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Really, I said that in my opinion - ‘everyone else in Australia is incompetent’? Please show me where I said that. And if you can’t, please please please go and crawl back under that executive managers desk and continue with what you do best. Every executive needs their lap poodle, and you do it so well. Kia Ora
It is OK, it is other people’s money! It is worth it to see Lookleft and Ragnor reaction!!!
On the plus side it should speed up the opening of state borders....if it goes ahead
On the plus side it should speed up the opening of state borders....if it goes ahead
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https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p54snq.html
Sounds like the administrators are quite delusional about the post COVID19 aviation market
Virgin Australia’s administrators have proposed the airline buy a fleet of new long-range Boeing Dreamliner 787 aircraft, but prospective buyers are concerned its plan for the collapsed airline ignores how fundamentally COVID-19 has changed the aviation industry.
Nineteen parties are weighing up rescue bids for Virgin following its collapse last month, with preliminary bids due by 6pm Friday, and they have been presented with a confidential management business plan for the relaunched carrier called "Virgin v2.0".
Deloitte and Virgin management's plan for the airline includes a new international fleet. CREDIT
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Several sources close to the process, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to strict confidentiality agreements, said the plan includes buying eight Boeing 787 Dreamliners to replace Virgin's existing international fleet of five Boeing 777s and six Airbus A330s.
Boeing 787s have a "list price" of between $US250 million and $US338 million ($388 million to $525 million) depending on the model, although airlines normally negotiate significant discounts.
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Simplifying Virgin's fleet to reduce costs was a core part of chief executive Paul Scurrah's turnaround plan for the airline prior to it entering administration.
The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald previously revealed the business plan, detailed in a memorandum distributed to key bidders, involves maintaining an international network, which was under a cloud because it was a source of heavy financial losses.
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Airlines around the world have been devastated by the pandemic and major industry players expect it to take two to five years for passenger demand to recover. Deloitte hopes to secure a new owner for Virgin by mid-August.
More than half a dozen people close to potential bidders or working in senior aviation industry roles expressed concern and disbelief Deloitte was not using its administration powers to more aggressively restructure the airline by reducing its aircraft fleet and considering employee redundancies in recognition that a relaunched Virgin will operate in a significantly smaller aviation market.
“There’s no recognition that the market has fundamentally changed," said one source, adding administrators were setting up the winning bidder as the "bad guy" who would have to cut its fleet and workforce after they take ownership.
“They are setting themselves up for the most catastrophic failure - some of the consortiums are close to saying ‘ok, fine we’ll see you in the liquidation'."
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“This is the time to fix it,” another source close to one bidder said of the loss-making company. A third said the administration appeared to be controlled by Virgin management, with Deloitte adopting its long-term plan for the airline.
Deloitte has told potential buyers Virgin could triple its earnings to $1.2 billion in the 2022 financial year, which would be a drastic change in fortunes after being unprofitable for the past seven years and racking up combined losses of $1.9 billion.
Deloitte's lead administrator, Vaughan Strawbridge, has said he does not plan to make any workers redundant. Virgin employed around 9300 people prior to administration, most of whom have been stood down from work during the pandemic. Virgin made 1000 workers redundant in March as the pandemic started to bite.
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Ed Bastian, chief executive of Delta Air Lines, which is the world's largest carrier, said last month that a full industry recovery would take two to three years, while jet maker Airbus has said it could take up to five years before passengers travel is at pre-pandemic levels again.
Groups known to be considering a bid for Virgin include US private equity firm Bain Capital, local private equity group BGH Capital and Canadian asset manager Brookfield. The Queensland government on Wednesday announced its intention to bid for the airline, while co-founder Richard Branson is said to be waiting in the wings to join a leading consortium.
Sounds like the administrators are quite delusional about the post COVID19 aviation market
Virgin Australia’s administrators have proposed the airline buy a fleet of new long-range Boeing Dreamliner 787 aircraft, but prospective buyers are concerned its plan for the collapsed airline ignores how fundamentally COVID-19 has changed the aviation industry.
Nineteen parties are weighing up rescue bids for Virgin following its collapse last month, with preliminary bids due by 6pm Friday, and they have been presented with a confidential management business plan for the relaunched carrier called "Virgin v2.0".
Deloitte and Virgin management's plan for the airline includes a new international fleet. CREDITDWINA PICKLESSeveral sources close to the process, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to strict confidentiality agreements, said the plan includes buying eight Boeing 787 Dreamliners to replace Virgin's existing international fleet of five Boeing 777s and six Airbus A330s.
Boeing 787s have a "list price" of between $US250 million and $US338 million ($388 million to $525 million) depending on the model, although airlines normally negotiate significant discounts.
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Simplifying Virgin's fleet to reduce costs was a core part of chief executive Paul Scurrah's turnaround plan for the airline prior to it entering administration.
The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald previously revealed the business plan, detailed in a memorandum distributed to key bidders, involves maintaining an international network, which was under a cloud because it was a source of heavy financial losses.
'Fundamentally changed'
Those details come amid growing frustration from potential bidders that Virgin’s administrator, Deloitte, is asking them to buy a business largely as it was before it collapsed and before the COVID-19 pandemic brought the global aviation industry to a standstill.Advertisement
Airlines around the world have been devastated by the pandemic and major industry players expect it to take two to five years for passenger demand to recover. Deloitte hopes to secure a new owner for Virgin by mid-August.
More than half a dozen people close to potential bidders or working in senior aviation industry roles expressed concern and disbelief Deloitte was not using its administration powers to more aggressively restructure the airline by reducing its aircraft fleet and considering employee redundancies in recognition that a relaunched Virgin will operate in a significantly smaller aviation market.
“There’s no recognition that the market has fundamentally changed," said one source, adding administrators were setting up the winning bidder as the "bad guy" who would have to cut its fleet and workforce after they take ownership.
“They are setting themselves up for the most catastrophic failure - some of the consortiums are close to saying ‘ok, fine we’ll see you in the liquidation'."
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“This is the time to fix it,” another source close to one bidder said of the loss-making company. A third said the administration appeared to be controlled by Virgin management, with Deloitte adopting its long-term plan for the airline.
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Add to shortlistIntelligence firm CAPA - Centre for Aviation this week projected that Austrlaia's domestic airline capacity will be at only 49 per cent of last year's levels by October and at 60 per cent by December. International flights will be at just 15 per cent of 2019 capacity by the end of the year.Deloitte has told potential buyers Virgin could triple its earnings to $1.2 billion in the 2022 financial year, which would be a drastic change in fortunes after being unprofitable for the past seven years and racking up combined losses of $1.9 billion.
Deloitte's lead administrator, Vaughan Strawbridge, has said he does not plan to make any workers redundant. Virgin employed around 9300 people prior to administration, most of whom have been stood down from work during the pandemic. Virgin made 1000 workers redundant in March as the pandemic started to bite.
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Add to shortlistCOVID-19 has devastated airlines around the world. British Airways is making up to 12,000 staff redundant, while US carriers have signalled significant layoffs. Air New Zealand has said it will lay off about a third of its workforce, or around 3500 employees in the coming months.Ed Bastian, chief executive of Delta Air Lines, which is the world's largest carrier, said last month that a full industry recovery would take two to three years, while jet maker Airbus has said it could take up to five years before passengers travel is at pre-pandemic levels again.
Groups known to be considering a bid for Virgin include US private equity firm Bain Capital, local private equity group BGH Capital and Canadian asset manager Brookfield. The Queensland government on Wednesday announced its intention to bid for the airline, while co-founder Richard Branson is said to be waiting in the wings to join a leading consortium.
These administrators just get more laughable by the day, I know airplanes are cheap right now but who cares, could be many years before anyone is able to fill a 787 long haul. Why not also suggest the lucky buyer purchase a fleet of Saturn V rockets as well. Could launch them next to Movie World, QLD to LHR in 18 minutes, NASA may offer them a good deal.
I truly hope I’m wrong but it sounds more likely that this is not going to end well.
I truly hope I’m wrong but it sounds more likely that this is not going to end well.