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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:47
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Good move by Queensland Government to forestall a move to Victoria.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:49
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Originally Posted by normanton
Would the government block a chinese takeover if it meant the airline would fold? Some big balls from SCOMO.

Saw the money from the QLD government coming from a mile away. Morons fell for the "we'll move to Melbourne" threat.
The govt said (in fin review today I think) that they would NOT prevent an overseas govt takeover
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
Good move by Queensland Government to forestall a move to Victoria.
Ahh well if Sunfish says it's a good deal, it must really be a bad deal.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:55
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Latest is that Scurrah is talking to a group comprising China Southern, China Eastern and Air China to do the rescue deal. So three Chinese companies as distinct from now with an Arab, a Singaporean, two Chinese and a Pom. Seems likes its Hobsons Choice as D Day approaches.
Just curious, would you have a link to the source of this rumour by any chance ?
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:12
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Does anyone know if Virgin own or lease aircraft or a mix of both. ?
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:13
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Just curious, would you have a link to the source of this rumour by any chance ?

Turn the news on it’s been all over it or buy a newspaper!

I don’t think this is a good thing having the Chinese buy VA this will be bad long term.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:15
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My gut feeling is the other states won’t match it. It’s a Brisbane based airline and the other states will still have air services or some form. Plus they’re broke.

the Chinese will be the best bet.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Square Bear
Isn’t it that whoever buys into Virgin aren’t buying an Australian company, but buying a predominately overseas owned company that is based and operates in Australia?
Absolutely, it's not like they are buying an Australian owned and run business, it's a 90% foreign owned airline that operates in Australia, and does a damn fine job too I if I might say, and we will pay through the nose for domestic flights if they fail.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Matt48
Does anyone know if Virgin own or lease aircraft or a mix of both. ?
About 50/50

But they don’t really own them. As they have Borrowed cash against every one of them (minus the Fokker), with the now problem of unable to pay the debt tied to them, they are really owned by the banks.

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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:35
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A mix of both.I think they own 4 777’s and about 30 737’s.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:45
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Originally Posted by mates rates
A mix of both.I think they own 4 777’s and about 30 737’s.
Define "owned".

One poster says just "owned", another says 50% owned but used as collateral for loans...so the financial institution either "owns" or has a substantial holding.

It sounds as if VA own ZERO of the mainline fleet - if all are used as security for loans.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 23:57
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
About 50/50

But they don’t really own them. As they have Borrowed cash against every one of them (minus the Fokker), with the now problem of unable to pay the debt tied to them, they are really owned by the banks.
Thanks WD.
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Originally Posted by Blackout
The Chinese should be barred from buying any business/asset in Australia.
I agree, they should be, but in this case, it's not an Australian company apart from the 10% Aussie shareholding.

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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:07
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If the chinese want in, they should be allowed in under the current circumstances i.e. $5b debt.

If they want it cheaply once the company goes into administration, the government should be telling them to get ^%$#@!.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:11
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Capitalist when in Profit, Socialist when not.

Am I missing something here? They definitely can not have it both ways!

No bail out...
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:40
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Originally Posted by snoop doggy dog
Capitalist when in Profit, Socialist when not.

Am I missing something here? They definitely can not have it both ways!

No bail out...
Thats how it works. In the good times, minimise your tax as best you can. In the bad times, ask the taxpayer to bail you out.

But hey, it's legal!
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:42
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Originally Posted by normanton
If the chinese want in, they should be allowed in under the current circumstances i.e. $5b debt.

If they want it cheaply once the company goes into administration, the government should be telling them to get ^%$#@!.
A bit like a motorist offering a cyclist five bucks for the $3k bike they just knocked him off.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:43
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Originally Posted by snoop doggy dog
Capitalist when in Profit, Socialist when not.

Am I missing something here? They definitely can not have it both ways!

No bail out...
There won't be a major bailout apart from miss Piggy who just wants her employment stats to look good for the impending election.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:50
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Is Joyce still around ?
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 00:59
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Is Joyce still around ?
I think the board got around to telling him to keep his mouth shut.

It’s been great.
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