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Bali will go nuts. Agree. My 18 Year old Son and his entire year level are on standby to head there right when the thing dies off. They were originally going in May, so got the travel credits and accommodation vouchers for future use.
There would have been tens of thousands possible more, bookings and plans canceled, refunded, or vouchers which people need to use.
Jetstar did not refund anyone also, so there are millions with travel credits and they have to use these within a tight timeframe.
There would have been tens of thousands possible more, bookings and plans canceled, refunded, or vouchers which people need to use.
Jetstar did not refund anyone also, so there are millions with travel credits and they have to use these within a tight timeframe.
My best guess is it’ll take 5 years to recover to 2019 levels of economic activity in a typical boom/bust credit cycle. That’s providing we’re now entering a standard recession and aren’t descending into a 1930’s depression. In that scenario then it would seem the government is determined to turn on the money printing machine and we enter the slow decline that Japan has been experiencing for 20 years rather than a short, sharp shock followed by a rebound.
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short flights long nights
I’m sorry ..did I just read this right .. ‘Bali will go nuts?’. What dont people understand? This is not your common cold. This is not going away. This is like smallpox before a vaccination.
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There wont be ‘Bali going nuts’ for years. ( unless you want to die). Things have changed big time. You won’t get travel insurance for Covid.My sister in law is a doctor .. and she says .. don’t except to travel overseas for the next 2 years..
we are in a whole new world
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There wont be ‘Bali going nuts’ for years. ( unless you want to die). Things have changed big time. You won’t get travel insurance for Covid.My sister in law is a doctor .. and she says .. don’t except to travel overseas for the next 2 years..
we are in a whole new world
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The number of A380’s being permanently grounded around the world is steadily increasing, Lufthansa has announced that it is disposing of 6 (out of 14) A380’s. Other retirements being made by the airline include 7 A340-600’s, 3 A340-300’s, 5 B747-400’s & 10 A320’s, along with their entire German Wings subsidiary.
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I’m sorry ..did I just read this right .. ‘Bali will go nuts?’. What dont people understand? This is not your common cold. This is not going away. This is like smallpox before a vaccination.
There will be ‘Bali going nuts’ for years. ( unless you want to die). Things have changed big time. You won’t get travel insurance for Covid.My sister in law is a doctor .. and she says .. don’t except to travel overseas for the next 2 years..
we are in a whole new world
There will be ‘Bali going nuts’ for years. ( unless you want to die). Things have changed big time. You won’t get travel insurance for Covid.My sister in law is a doctor .. and she says .. don’t except to travel overseas for the next 2 years..
we are in a whole new world
A voice of reason, anyone who travels overseas without travel insurance needs their head read, will you get travel insurance when the skies open up? Who knows but it will certainly exclude the virus and anything that can be attached to it like cancellations due to an outbreak somewhere.
Yep. They’ve got to keep that Ponzi scheme going until the very last minute. Quantitative easing, zero to negative interest rates, whatever they can do to keep a dead system alive. The USA alone has a likely debt of $250 trillion. The collapse has started and a painful reset is inevitable. The Federal Reserve is a joke, it isn’t even a bank. It’s a private cabal. People don’t even realise that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/yell...lowing-it.html
Now the Federal Reserve is petitioning Congress to be able to purchase public equities.
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did you catch this little gem that just popped up last few days?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/yell...lowing-it.html
Now the Federal Reserve is petitioning Congress to be able to purchase public equities.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/yell...lowing-it.html
Now the Federal Reserve is petitioning Congress to be able to purchase public equities.
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Sure did kingRB. They are making things up as they are going along. They are desperate. The house of cards is collapsing and they know it. They will stop at nothing to keep the Ponzi alive. You can only kick the can further down the road for so long. The worlds financial day of reckoning has arrived. Some of us having been expecting and waiting for this to happen for some time. Not wanting this to happen, but knew it was coming. If ever there was a time to ‘end the Fed’ it is now. Quantitative easing, negative interest rates, seriously, what’s next????
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One thing is certain - the USD as a reserve currency is in its final death throes. What happens after that - and what replaces it is going to be historic. Like P337 says - there will not be any immediate or smooth transition, and we are likely in for some very dark times economically and socially.
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There is no recovery plan in the US or the rest of the Western Governments, because virtually everyone is oblivious to how debt based currency really works. Those that do understand are going to do everything they have left in their power to retain control of that system until it collapses.
One thing is certain - the USD as a reserve currency is in its final death throes. What happens after that - and what replaces it is going to be historic. Like P337 says - there will not be any immediate or smooth transition, and we are likely in for some very dark times economically and socially.
One thing is certain - the USD as a reserve currency is in its final death throes. What happens after that - and what replaces it is going to be historic. Like P337 says - there will not be any immediate or smooth transition, and we are likely in for some very dark times economically and socially.
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History time and time again has shown that a nation or empire that repeatedly debases its currency eventually looses its power. The US has virtually been able to print
money at will only because the USD is the world reserve currency, once this isn't true then like the ROME, the Dutch, the Spanish, The Uk there will a power shift away from the US.
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There is no recovery plan in the US or the rest of the Western Governments, because virtually everyone is oblivious to how debt based currency really works. Those that do understand are going to do everything they have left in their power to retain control of that system until it collapses.
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Borders to stay closed, travellers urged to 'see Australia first' once curbs ease
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...10-p54iw4.html
Seems a best case outcome here for the end of 2020 is generally unrestricted travel domestically and between AUS and NZ.
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I doubt anyone knows (even the academics who specialise in public health) know how COVID-19 is going to play out. It sure makes it interesting betting the sheep station at the big table. Consider the following possibilities:
- Until a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available (if it ever does) or herd immunity is reached, any international travel into AU will require a quarantine period (of some description) at journey’s end. Unless there is a pressing reason (business or personal), this will make international travel unattractive for most.
- It is possible that the current AU public health directions will result in the COVID-19 being contained and supressed, without the development of any AU herd immunity. If one listens to the entire briefings of various Federal and State representatives, the words “six months” keeps being repeated. This indicates September 2020 at the earliest. It is possible that Governments will slowly remove domestic travel restrictions. Key word is “slowly”. Expect incremental step, watch what happens, then another incremental step. However, any flare up will trigger a new lock down.
- Non-business travellers (including the bogans) will have taken a big hit to their free cash. Until the economy recovers, suppressed demand. Factor in higher tax take (which will dry up household free cash) for the next decade to pay off the COVID-19 government debt.
- Business travel will be watched closely. Not for costs, but for possible cross contamination of the office. Expect travel approver to ask, “do you really need to travel to location X”. Sales droids, show ponies, and those who seek self-esteem by obtaining frequent flyer miles will always find a good excuse. All others will defer if possible. Until vaccine is available, expect suppressed business travel, even inside AU.
- Keep in mind that containment and suppression strategies are applying selection pressure on COVID-19. Only the strong survive, and this seems to be applying to COVID-19 S type.
- The current AU government is unpredictable and not running to type (mainly in a good way).
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Good summary.
Another possibility is if there is success in the search for a full, or even partial, ‘treatment’. A long bow but may be a useful adjunct to a vaccine.
Your (6), I’d make one change - governments (plural). Ideology largely seems to be lockdown too.
I thought this was a good article on progress toward a COVID-19 vaccine:
https://theconversation.com/where-ar...navirus-134784
Good summary.
Another possibility is if there is success in the search for a full, or even partial, ‘treatment’. A long bow but may be a useful adjunct to a vaccine.
Your (6), I’d make one change - governments (plural). Ideology largely seems to be lockdown too.
I thought this was a good article on progress toward a COVID-19 vaccine:
https://theconversation.com/where-ar...navirus-134784
For those running a "everything will be back to normal in a few months" line, maybe read: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...o-517/12143322, headlined "WA ... COVID-19 restrictions to last at least six months"
That's internal 'border' checks until at least October, I can't see external borders in Australia or NZ being opened until there's a vaccine, or all passengers go into quarantine on arrival. That's international tourism and short-term business travel stone dead in this part of the world until (I guess) March or April 2021.
That's internal 'border' checks until at least October, I can't see external borders in Australia or NZ being opened until there's a vaccine, or all passengers go into quarantine on arrival. That's international tourism and short-term business travel stone dead in this part of the world until (I guess) March or April 2021.