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Qantas stand down 20,000 employees till end of May

Old 23rd Mar 2020, 03:47
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Shark patrol, you forgot that the 1918 flu pandemic was an American virus. The next one after this might evolve from Kiwi virii for all we know. However I like my Pangolins as pets, not casserole.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 04:39
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Of all the hundreds of thousands of people who have flown in internationally, or domestically since all this started, I can't recall one case where someone has tested positive due to exposure to a later confirmed positive case on an aircraft. Sure they contribute to spreading the virus, but they don't seem to be like cruise ships. Even airports with their exposure to the arriving (subsequently) positive cases, have not produced clusters of further virus positives.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa031349
This paper discusses 3 flights where the original SARS (which seems to be less infectious than COVID19) spread on RPT flights. Interestingly, about 1/2 these infections were outside the "2 row zone".
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 05:26
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
couldn’t agree more. Every country should add up the costs of their stimulus packages. Then take that figure and double it as it would not have been enough to compensate everyone affected. Then triple it for all the deaths inflicted on loved ones, the emotional stress this has had on people and the massive inconvenience. For Australia that number would be currently around $600 billion. Wipe that off what we owe China and if anything is left over, repossess some of the assets the Chinese government has bought here using state owned companies as cover.

as for July 2020 trip to Europe. No hope. Rebook for either May/ June or late August/ September next year. July is horrendous in Europe. It is absolute peak period. Unbelievable crowded and twice as expensive. Huge queues for tourist attractions. Even with probably reduced numbers next year.
Exactly! The Chinese never lose face culture has been the cause of this, they lied by omission and let this virus loose on an unsuspecting world. Unfortunately it is unlikely that any of the worlds governments will have the balls to offend China....again. We can live in hope though.

#CHARGECHINA
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 06:03
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
"When all this is over we should send China the bill."

Why?
Because their top levels of government are rotten to the core. The everyday Chinese people are much like you and I and I hold no grudge against them, but I'd really like to see an end to their current way of governance for too many reasons to mention.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 07:23
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The reason we are in this mess in the first place was everyone was afraid of offending China.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 08:02
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
Because their top levels of government are rotten to the core. The everyday Chinese people are much like you and I and I hold no grudge against them, but I'd really like to see an end to their current way of governance for too many reasons to mention.
They are already paying your bill. All $85 billion of it.
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/exports/china

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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 08:27
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In a time of crisis, it never ceases to amaze how pathetic people really are. Hoarding, stealing, finger pointing.

We've enjoyed 100 years of economic growth and are supposedly more wealthy than we have ever been. Yet somehow we have completely failed to prepare for any sort of abnormal situation. Be that bushfires or a virus pandemic.

Bill Gates warned us in 2016, nobody listened. Stop pointing the finger at China, it is pathetic. We only have ourselves to blame. We voted for this. We voted to cut taxes, cut public services, line the pockets of the 1% and send profits and jobs offshore or pay no tax. We tolerate greedy corporations and sociopathic CEOs.

Well the chickens have come home to roost. We could have had a national firefighting aerial fleet, we could have had better hospitals. We voted for lower taxes and franking credits. Now people complain when everything turns to shit.

Deal with it. If you don't like how things have turned out, demand change from your government. That's democracy.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 08:41
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Well said, we have been blindly feeding at the economic trough like pigs! Our economy is like a single engined plane, no second engine in case of failure!
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 08:45
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We voted for this. We voted to cut taxes, cut public services, line the pockets of the 1% and send profits and jobs offshore or pay no tax.
No I did not vote for any of these individual policies. I just voted for a political party. Both major political parties have been in power since I have been voting. All the political parties are responsible. Not once did they ever consult me as an individual and ask would I like a certain policy as you mentioned above. I do not accept personal responsibility. Either political party would have done the same.

We tolerate greedy corporations and sociopathic CEOs
Most people don't enjoy working for a sociopathic but what can they do ? Either accept the job or be unemployed? Or perhaps go on strike or take Industrial action ?

Look what happened several years ago when the workers protested (were taking legal PIA) and got locked out. What else can people do?
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 09:38
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They are already paying your bill. All $85 billion of it.
This import just cost us $66 billion only yesterday. Then there is the horrendous impact to business and the stock exchange in the last couple of weeks. Add disrespect of patent rights, stealing secrets, buying our industries, and infiltration of Chinese spies. Your $85b number is now looking a lot like chump change.

We voted for this.
No we didn't. Those sorts given the Chairmans Lounge treatment believed it was the medicine we deserved for continued membership.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 09:39
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The letter that they sent to pilots to stand them down was disgraceful and clearly written by someone without a heart.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 12:11
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
The letter that they sent to pilots to stand them down was disgraceful and clearly written by someone without a heart.
What did it say?
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 13:36
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"I don't think there would be 10 of thousands of similar vacations to that."

Um, pretty much guarantee there would not be 10s thousands trips like that....WTF charters a private Yacht around Croatia for 2 weeks!?!
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 23:42
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Originally Posted by michigan j View Post
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa031349
This paper discusses 3 flights where the original SARS (which seems to be less infectious than COVID19) spread on RPT flights. Interestingly, about 1/2 these infections were outside the "2 row zone".
It discusses 3 flights which carried a known SARS carrier, and follows up the other passengers (although only about 40% of them). Of those 3 flights, it was considered to have only spread on one. Even then it is only supposition the others were infected on the aircraft. They were exposed both before and after the flights. The state of infection of the carrier and duration of exposure seem to be the major factors, if it was transmitted on the flights.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 00:57
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Perth Radio 6PR news this morning announcing that Woolworths - The Group - has just laid off 8,000 workers - mostly from its Alcohol outlets and associated businesses / industries.

Where does this place QANTAS management's statement to place xx unemployed QANTAS staff with Woolworths?

Would not Woolworths look after their 'own' first?

No Cheers....
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 06:22
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Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO View Post
Perth Radio 6PR news this morning announcing that Woolworths - The Group - has just laid off 8,000 workers - mostly from its Alcohol outlets and associated businesses / industries.

Where does this place QANTAS management's statement to place xx unemployed QANTAS staff with Woolworths?

Would not Woolworths look after their 'own' first?

No Cheers....
they are doing their best.The government's recent lockdown policy has also stymied Endeavour's demerger plans, with pubs and hotels falling into the 'non-essential' services bucket. Over 8000 ALH staff were stood down on Monday, Woolworths said.

The company is trying to re-employ as many affected staff members into other divisions of the company as possible, with 650 already offered roles and a further 2000 set to be redeployed in the next 24 hours


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Old 24th Mar 2020, 12:05
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GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF THEM.................................

CHEEERRRSSS........
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 19:02
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They are cherry picking the pilot stand downs. Some line pilots / trainers regarded as friendly to the companies industrial relations plans are still being paid and are flying. Some very public and obvious names involved.

Things are going to get nasty now real quick.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 19:50
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
They are cherry picking the pilot stand downs. Some line pilots / trainers regarded as friendly to the companies industrial relations plans are still being paid and are flying. Some very public and obvious names involved.

Things are going to get nasty now real quick.
That is what happens when you have a compliant union and is why there is a seniority system.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 21:43
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Where does it say they must use the seniority system to ration the flying?
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