Australia Border enforced isolation 12am Monday
I’ve never had someone sneeze into my face in public so close that they will pass on a virus that will cause me significant health problems. That is a one in a billion chance that is so small it isn’t worth worrying about.
You know who is at risk from that? Healthcare workers, who are around sick and vulnerable people 24/7. They are the ones who need a well stocked supply of masks. So situations like these are avoided which are perpetuated by BS conspiracy theorist fearmongering hoarders like yourself who are putting our frontline healthcare heroes at risk:
Coronavirus COVID-19 mask shortages mean GPs are shopping at hardware stores for supplies
You know who is at risk from that? Healthcare workers, who are around sick and vulnerable people 24/7. They are the ones who need a well stocked supply of masks. So situations like these are avoided which are perpetuated by BS conspiracy theorist fearmongering hoarders like yourself who are putting our frontline healthcare heroes at risk:
Coronavirus COVID-19 mask shortages mean GPs are shopping at hardware stores for supplies
I’ve got some masks in my shed for working around the house. Have I used them to protect myself from Covid-19? No not yet. Will I use them? Don’t know, I’ll judge it on the day.
My issue is with Governments, the WHO and business telling lies about about the effectiveness of protective masks. It’s patently clear that if someone sneezes and you have a mask on you have reduced (probably not eliminated) the number of particles entering your body via nose and mouth thus giving the body a greater chance of mounting some defence. As far as I’m concerned the spread of this misinformation is negligent at best.
I’ve told my elderly parents (lung issues) to buy a couple of masks to use if they venture out along with the other precautions. They initially said it won’t help as that’s what they’ve been told. Not ideal as that puts them at risk when they don’t need to be. In my case mine are in the shed, hardly hoarding.
It’s pretty simple to ask outlets to restrict sale or not put them on the shelf rather than confuse and mislead people that might have them in a cupboard or could make something at home.
The evidence indicates the larger the number of particles inhaled the more aggressive the symptoms and outcome. Possibly why the youngsters in Italy (too much romance) are coming down with terrible pneumonia.
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Be prepared for the borders to be closed in the not too distant future.
DFAT has said to Aussies overseas should return home before the virus caused more borders to close. They didn’t state which borders though.
Couple that with the below advice issued today from Smarttraveller:
reading between the lines, Australia closing its borders entirely is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Alarmist? Maybe a little. But beware of the possibility, soon.
DFAT has said to Aussies overseas should return home before the virus caused more borders to close. They didn’t state which borders though.
Couple that with the below advice issued today from Smarttraveller:
We now advise all Australians: do not travel overseas at this time. This is our highest advice level (level 4 of 4).
If you are already overseas and wish to return to Australia, we recommend you do so as soon as possible by commercial means.
Regardless of your destination, age or health, our advice is do not travel at this time.
If you are already overseas and wish to return to Australia, we recommend you do so as soon as possible by commercial means.
Regardless of your destination, age or health, our advice is do not travel at this time.
reading between the lines, Australia closing its borders entirely is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Alarmist? Maybe a little. But beware of the possibility, soon.
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A New Zealander who arrived home from Thailand yesterday morning says the Covid-19 measures at Auckland Airport
are "loose" and she felt safer in Southeast Asia."the customs officer who checked her passport casually said, "Are you well?"
"Of course you're going to be like, 'yup' - you just want to get in there."
"It seemed like butt-covering rather than thorough investigation,"
She was also amazed to see travellers greeted in the arrivals hall by friends and family.
"There were planes coming in from category-1 countries... and these people are picking them up and having a hug with them."
She overheard a man in front of her in the queue for Customs saying he was from the United Kingdom and was
in New Zealand for two weeks. She later saw him pick up a brochure on tourist hotspots to visit in New Zealand.
She called out to him and asked why he was picking up a site-seeing brochure if he would be in self-isolation the whole time
he was here, but he looked at her, looked away and walked off.
Alas she didn't then say that she reported this person so that he could be investigated.
are "loose" and she felt safer in Southeast Asia."the customs officer who checked her passport casually said, "Are you well?"
"Of course you're going to be like, 'yup' - you just want to get in there."
"It seemed like butt-covering rather than thorough investigation,"
She was also amazed to see travellers greeted in the arrivals hall by friends and family.
"There were planes coming in from category-1 countries... and these people are picking them up and having a hug with them."
She overheard a man in front of her in the queue for Customs saying he was from the United Kingdom and was
in New Zealand for two weeks. She later saw him pick up a brochure on tourist hotspots to visit in New Zealand.
She called out to him and asked why he was picking up a site-seeing brochure if he would be in self-isolation the whole time
he was here, but he looked at her, looked away and walked off.
Alas she didn't then say that she reported this person so that he could be investigated.
A New Zealander who arrived home from Thailand yesterday morning says the Covid-19 measures at Auckland Airport
are "loose" and she felt safer in Southeast Asia."the customs officer who checked her passport casually said, "Are you well?"
"Of course you're going to be like, 'yup' - you just want to get in there."
"It seemed like butt-covering rather than thorough investigation,"
She was also amazed to see travellers greeted in the arrivals hall by friends and family.
"There were planes coming in from category-1 countries... and these people are picking them up and having a hug with them."
She overheard a man in front of her in the queue for Customs saying he was from the United Kingdom and was
in New Zealand for two weeks. She later saw him pick up a brochure on tourist hotspots to visit in New Zealand.
She called out to him and asked why he was picking up a site-seeing brochure if he would be in self-isolation the whole time
he was here, but he looked at her, looked away and walked off.
Alas she didn't then say that she reported this person so that he could be investigated.
are "loose" and she felt safer in Southeast Asia."the customs officer who checked her passport casually said, "Are you well?"
"Of course you're going to be like, 'yup' - you just want to get in there."
"It seemed like butt-covering rather than thorough investigation,"
She was also amazed to see travellers greeted in the arrivals hall by friends and family.
"There were planes coming in from category-1 countries... and these people are picking them up and having a hug with them."
She overheard a man in front of her in the queue for Customs saying he was from the United Kingdom and was
in New Zealand for two weeks. She later saw him pick up a brochure on tourist hotspots to visit in New Zealand.
She called out to him and asked why he was picking up a site-seeing brochure if he would be in self-isolation the whole time
he was here, but he looked at her, looked away and walked off.
Alas she didn't then say that she reported this person so that he could be investigated.
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Sooner just arrived! NZ shut.
Australia also announced it's closing its borders to any non-citizen or non-resident of the country.
Mr Morrison said he had consulted New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern about Australia's new travel ban prior to announcing it.
"The New Zealand arrangement, in the same way as it has in the past, doesn't apply to Australians living in New Zealand as New Zealand residents," he said.
"Equally for New Zealanders living in Australia as Australian residents, these are the same rules that apply in both countries.
Australia also announced it's closing its borders to any non-citizen or non-resident of the country.
Mr Morrison said he had consulted New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern about Australia's new travel ban prior to announcing it.
"The New Zealand arrangement, in the same way as it has in the past, doesn't apply to Australians living in New Zealand as New Zealand residents," he said.
"Equally for New Zealanders living in Australia as Australian residents, these are the same rules that apply in both countries.
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The penalties for non compliance are serious; why would you risk fines of around $10k?
"I sincerely doubt that Australia is closing its borders to residents - in fact ScoMo is telling people to come 'home'
Problem will be finding an airline who is operating - and of course transit will be a problem in a lot of places
Problem will be finding an airline who is operating - and of course transit will be a problem in a lot of places
too true, soon the borders will not have to be closed, as there will be no vehicles (aircraft, ships) to pass through the borders.
Many people who are not where they want to be right now, may very well end up having to stay where they are for the next couple of months.
Many people who are not where they want to be right now, may very well end up having to stay where they are for the next couple of months.
Straightforward to police; randomly show up at the designated isolation address several times in the 14 days. Won't take much in the way of resources.
"Designated Isolation Address"? No such thing. On the immigration arrival card you write your "intended" address but your intentions may change. The numbers make it difficult to effectively control.
I think circumstances will overtake the isolation rule anyway, pretty soon many venues will be closed, so not much choice but to stay home. Are friends really going to gather at each other's houses as the spectre of infection grows?
We have three people stuck in this situation now. The sales manager and his wife are stuck in Thailand trying to get back. they were due back this weekend anyway, and the GM has his teenage son stuck in Spain.
The "masks don't help you unless you're sick" held up before.
Not now we know theres a high chance of asymptomatic carriers.
The worst thing the WHO did was perpuate this mask myth. They should have been honest, said yes, they can help to a degree, however at this time they need to be prioritised for HCW until supply catches up as that's the best chance of stopping this.
The "mask stigma" has prevented many who should be wearing them from doing so earlier...
Not now we know theres a high chance of asymptomatic carriers.
The worst thing the WHO did was perpuate this mask myth. They should have been honest, said yes, they can help to a degree, however at this time they need to be prioritised for HCW until supply catches up as that's the best chance of stopping this.
The "mask stigma" has prevented many who should be wearing them from doing so earlier...
Icarus, the Police were sampling the self quarantine population and it was reported they found 20% non compliance. That is why we now have involuntary quarantine under guard and $1600 on the spot fines fo non compliance with voluntary quarantine.
Amazes me they didn't go to this a week away - all the evidence from Europe , and especially the UK , shows you are forced to go to lock-down eventually .
The "masks don't help you unless you're sick" held up before.
Not now we know theres a high chance of asymptomatic carriers.
The worst thing the WHO did was perpuate this mask myth. They should have been honest, said yes, they can help to a degree, however at this time they need to be prioritised for HCW until supply catches up as that's the best chance of stopping this.
The "mask stigma" has prevented many who should be wearing them from doing so earlier...
Not now we know theres a high chance of asymptomatic carriers.
The worst thing the WHO did was perpuate this mask myth. They should have been honest, said yes, they can help to a degree, however at this time they need to be prioritised for HCW until supply catches up as that's the best chance of stopping this.
The "mask stigma" has prevented many who should be wearing them from doing so earlier...
I wouldn’t listen to a thing the entirely corrupt WHO says. There are plenty of other experts to listen to.
Maybe the WHO can order some from India. I imagine that some health worker will end up wearing these. They would be better off with nothing. How many other places like this exist in India, China etc. Can any mask be trusted.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sB8V...gcRmmgIlZB9aLs
short flights long nights
The WHO can’t even answer a question about Taiwan.. pretending not to hear the question. It makes we question everything it says regarding this virus, seeing it came out of China.
I wouldn’t listen to a thing the entirely corrupt WHO says. There are plenty of other experts to listen to.
Maybe the WHO can order some from India. I imagine that some health worker will end up wearing these. They would be better off with nothing. How many other places like this exist in India, China etc. Can any mask be trusted.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sB8V...gcRmmgIlZB9aLs
Maybe the WHO can order some from India. I imagine that some health worker will end up wearing these. They would be better off with nothing. How many other places like this exist in India, China etc. Can any mask be trusted.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sB8V...gcRmmgIlZB9aLs
all the evidence from Europe , and especially the UK , shows you are forced to go to lock-down eventually
Australia's numbers (the curve) is looking quite good at present.
Only because less testing was done in the last few days.