Australia Border enforced isolation 12am Monday

[Berealgetreal]

Herd of sheep. More appropriate.

[Old Dogs]

Originally Posted by SevenTwentySeven

So when an atomic inspector gives Iran the all-clear you believe that too?

Yes, actually.

The International Atomic Energy Agency gave Iran the "all clear" in 2003 and nothing has changed since then.

[machtuk]

Hysteria and panic is far more destructive than some URTI virus!

[dc9-32]

Assuming QF don't cancel the flight, is there any restriction in place currently to prevent Brits returning PER-LHR direct ?

QF appear to not be sending out any updates to passengers already booked in the coming weeks.

[Lantern10]

The UK is letting it run according to this article.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...box=1584299823

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by machtuk

Hysteria and panic is far more destructive than some URTI virus!

Some “URTI virus” generally doesn’t get to the point where hospitals in modern nations are so choked they are refusing to admit patients over 65 years old to preserve resources for others.

It’s also not an URTI, it’s affecting the lower respiratory tract, not the upper.

[Berealgetreal]

Originally Posted by Lantern10

The UK is letting it run according to this article.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...box=1584299823

Trump might want to close that one as well!

[bekolblockage]

Frequent SLF between HK and Oz here due to my work.
One of the problems with the Gov announcing this sort of thing on a Sunday afternoon is that none of the info on the various Department websites aligns and is quite brief and therefore not giving the complete picture right now.
Has anybody seen any official notification regarding temporary visitors (Australian citizen but non-resident) who are staying in the country less than 14 days??
The simple publication on the Dept of Home Affairs website says everybody has to self-isolate for 14 days. What if you are only planning to stay 3 days? Provided you self-isolated at home for those 3 days,can they stop you hopping back on an aircraft and leaving the country again?
For info, QANTAS is telling pax that is permitted. Grateful if anybody has an official link confirming that.

[topend3]

probably irrelevant as the majority of short stay trips are going to cancel before they get here.

[givemewings]

IMHO the panic buying was started by the media taking a comment by one of the medical officials completely out of context. He advised to have about '2 weeks' of provisions for anyone requiring to SELF QUARANTINE, but of course the dumbo division just heard 'two weeks' and presto, there we have WWE for bog roll in the aisles of Woolies.

I'm glad they're finally waking up and cancelling large gatherings, but the flipside to that is our events/entertainment industry will take a massive hit as well. Where do those people generally work in the off season? Hospitality and tourism, another taking a big hit.

Glad I'm not flying any more. Currently at the start of 3 days off as my employer has wisely decided to spilt the work group into two, with neither group working at all with the other and deep cleaning/sanitising happening during the workday and after hours

[Ozdork]

So is Norfolk Island considered “overseas” (for the purpose of this directive)?

[mothy1583]

Technically, you would have to break quarantine to get yourself to the airpor. Catch 22

[Foxxster]

Originally Posted by slats11

Very odd
NSW told to prepare for 8,000 deaths
USA modelling 1.5 million deaths

and China just 3,000.

Sure I get that unprecedented isolation measures put the virus back in its box.

But relax the measures and it has to break out. If it doesn’t (and it isn’t so far), then very odd indeed.

I can assure you that 8,000 for NSW is nowhere near what is being planned by at least one major hospital where I have a close relative working in ICU. They had a meeting about a week ago and were told the modelling is saying to prepare for at least 135,000 Australia wide. That would equate to about 40,000 for NSW.

[slats11]

I can assure you that 8,000 for NSW is nowhere near what is being planned by at least one major hospital where I have a close relative working in ICU. They had a meeting about a week ago and were told the modelling is saying to prepare for at least 135,000 Australia wide. That would equate to about 40,000 for NSW.

Working in ICU, I completely agree.

But 8,000 is the figure the government ran in the SMH, so I used that.

If you assume 8 million in NSW
x 50% infected
x 1-2% fatality rate
That = 40,000 to 80,000 deaths The vast majority over 60, and the majority over 70, and very few under 30.

Which makes 3,000 in all of China even harder to explain.

It is a very strange world.

[givemewings]

If you think a temporary shutdown won't help, take a look at this:

Comparison of cities in the US 1918-19 influenza epidemic. Comparing those who took delayed measures, early but singular measures, and early, combined measures:

Non-Medical Interventions During Epidemics

[pilotguy1222]

HKG got their **** together a few weeks ago. Cathay slashed the March schedule, but because of the fight to stop the spread, HKG is now one of the better (safer?) places and Cathay is now scrambling to ramp up the flight schedule.
A relatively short timeframe of discipline and effort for the good end result.

[Sue Ridgepipe]

Originally Posted by pilotguy1222

HKG got their **** together a few weeks ago. Cathay slashed the March schedule, but because of the fight to stop the spread, HKG is now one of the better (safer?) places and Cathay is now scrambling to ramp up the flight schedule.
A relatively short timeframe of discipline and effort for the good end result.

I'm not sure how that's going to work out for them (if it is in fact happening) as more and countries introduce bans or quarantines, they may not have many passengers.

[Xeptu]

The fatality rate is 1 death per 23 infections globally, the greater majority are over 60 yrs of age. I think that because Australians are not as disciplined as the Chinese, we can expect the toll to be in line with Europe and the US. Going into our flu season "June to Sept" I would be surprised if its less than the spanish flu. 15,000 from a population of 5 million. These are going to be big numbers and I fear I'm likely to be one of them.

[Berealgetreal]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

The fatality rate is 1 death per 23 infections globally, the greater majority are over 60 yrs of age. I think that because Australians are not as disciplined as the Chinese, we can expect the toll to be in line with Europe and the US. Going into our flu season "June to Sept" I would be surprised if its less than the spanish flu. 15,000 from a population of 5 million. These are going to be big numbers and I fear I'm likely to be one of them.

Information is coming out that in Europe there are a great deal of young people getting it as well. It’s in its infancy and the word is it’s 10-20 times worse than the flu. As I said in another thread it’s going to make the GFC look like a fun day out.

The exponential nature of it is about to shock the world. Borders closed quarantine and masks everywhere is what is/was needed. Strict conditions. Been following it closely from day dot.

[Xeptu]

Yes, it doesn't discriminate, everyone who is exposed gets it, it's a case of young people appear to not be showing any symptoms that they have it, barely a runny nose, We over 60's is a different matter all together. That makes it even more risky, young people will think "so what" and happily go about infecting people, without really knowing for sure if they have it.