Coronavirus require separate Crew lanes
You don’t already have separate crew lanes in Australia? 
So:
So, to my mind, it is not unreasonable for a worker to refuse to have anything to do with an aircraft that has come from China and has possibly carried a someone infected.
What was Joyce’s response to the TWU?
- anyone who has been in China in recent times is, if they’re allowed into Australia, is required to quarantine themselves for 14 days.
- those evacuated from Wuhan are sent to quarantine on Christmas island for 14 days.
So, to my mind, it is not unreasonable for a worker to refuse to have anything to do with an aircraft that has come from China and has possibly carried a someone infected.
What was Joyce’s response to the TWU?
QF 1st, are crew to quarantine themselves for 14 days?
Chinese airlines, are crew to quarantine themselves for 14 days? What about crew members standing around reception areas at the various hotels whilst checking in? The issue grows when you consider transport from terminal to hotels, hotels and other guests, hotel cleaners, etc.
Still a Swiss cheese approach by the govern-not here.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...c32c29a90d4956
Very disappointing from QF. It is not unreasonable for any worker (or their estate)who may suffer illness or death to request that their entitlement to a safe workplace be investigated by regulatory authorities and any negligent individual / company dutifully penalised.
Hands up QF management volunteering to serve at the front line and clean the aircraft!??? .......silence....
By the way I’m a QF frequent flyer of over 20yrs but I think their approach stinks to high heaven.
Very disappointing from QF. It is not unreasonable for any worker (or their estate)who may suffer illness or death to request that their entitlement to a safe workplace be investigated by regulatory authorities and any negligent individual / company dutifully penalised.
Hands up QF management volunteering to serve at the front line and clean the aircraft!??? .......silence....
By the way I’m a QF frequent flyer of over 20yrs but I think their approach stinks to high heaven.
From the news article
Umm,,,,no they're not.
Only two outside mainland China, both were Chinese, both had travelled to Wuhan prior, and both had other health issues (like nearly all people who die from influenza)
It’s a reasonable concern … people are dying left, right and centre.
Only two outside mainland China, both were Chinese, both had travelled to Wuhan prior, and both had other health issues (like nearly all people who die from influenza)
Chinese airlines, are crew to quarantine themselves for 14 days? What about crew members standing around reception areas at the various hotels whilst checking in? The issue grows when you consider transport from terminal to hotels, hotels and other guests, hotel cleaners, etc.
How many aircrew around the world have been confirmed with Coronavirus since the outbreak?
Since only aircrew who have been wearing appropriate PPE are allowed in, I would imagine that they "self-isolate" at their hotel for the day or two they are on layover. As far as mingling with other guests, transport etc, I imagine they mingle no more than the relevant Aussies who pass through the rest of the airport, carpark, taxi, train, bus, on their way home to "self-isolate". I would also imagine that hotels would be aware that the crew are Chinese, and have adopted suitable cleaning regimes for the rooms used.
How many aircrew around the world have been confirmed with Coronavirus since the outbreak?
How many aircrew around the world have been confirmed with Coronavirus since the outbreak?
It would also interfere with the “us and them” night-club bouncer mentality that Australian customs work so hard to maintain.
Next you’ll want them to stop shouting at tired pax with English as a fifth language who are trying to determine which lane they need to go down.
Wont happen.
Next you’ll want them to stop shouting at tired pax with English as a fifth language who are trying to determine which lane they need to go down.
Wont happen.
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Sort of defeats the purpose, segregating them, when they're about to (or have just) spend many hours sharing the same oxygen as the punters...
I don’t think viruses are smart enough to know which lane is crew and which lane is pax. They’re airborne pathogens and will indiscriminately infect which ever human they encounter first, regardless.
Exactly how many passengers and crew have been infected as a result of travelling on an aircraft from China to Australia?
The relative number of cases outside China tends to suggest that the virus is not particularly transmittable on aircraft or there would have been plenty as a result of the elevated numbers that travelled from China in the early days of the virus.
The relative number of cases outside China tends to suggest that the virus is not particularly transmittable on aircraft or there would have been plenty as a result of the elevated numbers that travelled from China in the early days of the virus.
The 5 confirmed in isolation at the Gold Coast are part of the same tour group that earlier flew from MEL to OOL on a Tiger flight. So far no other passenger (or crew) from that flight has tested positive. The remaining members of the tour group are still in quarantine at the hospital as well.
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Exactly how many passengers and crew have been infected as a result of travelling on an aircraft from China to Australia?
The relative number of cases outside China tends to suggest that the virus is not particularly transmittable on aircraft or there would have been plenty as a result of the elevated numbers that travelled from China in the early days of the virus.
The relative number of cases outside China tends to suggest that the virus is not particularly transmittable on aircraft or there would have been plenty as a result of the elevated numbers that travelled from China in the early days of the virus.
Unfortunately it only takes 1 to arrive on a plane to spread it over an entire continent.
That's really great. Unfortunately it only takes 1 to arrive on a plane to spread it over an entire continent.
And we'll only look at Qantas flights, some which had no precautions at all in the early part of the outbreak; 10 per week @ 300 pax on each. That's 15,000 pax and crew (they'd been out and about on their overnights too).
To the best of my knowledge, none of those passengers or crew have been found to have contracted the virus on the aircraft. Added to that, no-one who was aboard the inbound flight or Tiger flight with the 4 or 5 affected passengers now in Queensland, appear to have been infected either.
Multiply that across every other non-Chinese airline operating from China and Hong Kong to various destinations around the world and it's hard to justify the hysteria displayed from some quarters, even here on Pprune amongst 'professionals', who would have you believe that just to be close to a passenger cabin is a death sentence (my hysterics!
).Yes, definitely maintain the precautions - they're apparently working - but contain the hysteria. It only makes a poor situation worse.
Yeah right. Perhaps a ship with self contained cabins would be less risk of spread. Oh wait.......
we all have different risk levels, I agree. But that does not mean that I should blindly follow what my employer tells me to do just because they say it’s ok.
if you, as boss, goes and crews the flight then I might (not will) be more willing to accept- but if the boss isn’t actively putting themselves in harms way, I sure as **** ain’t.
p.s- it hasn’t spread over continents? Really?
p.p.s I do realise “Coronavirus” is effectively another strain of the flu (I’m not a doctor, let’s not pick apart the nitty gritty of that statement). But this strain has so many unknowns. Is it an over-reaction on the worlds part? Maybe, maybe not. As I said before, we have our own level of risk we are willing to take.
Me, I’d personally like it to be an overreaction but at the same time I’m not willing to put myself at increased risk.
Even if it turns out to be “lesser” than expected in mortality rates, isn’t it at very least a very good test run or fire drill for the world to see how quickly and efficiently they can contain a fast spreading virus? (or how quickly they can cover it up and inadvertendly stuff the entire population)
" Is it an over-reaction on the worlds part?"
Coronovirus deaths in China = 636
Number of Chinese killed every year in motor accidents = 63,772 (2017)
Maybe you'd be better off stopping Chinese motorists into the country........
Coronovirus deaths in China = 636
Number of Chinese killed every year in motor accidents = 63,772 (2017)
Maybe you'd be better off stopping Chinese motorists into the country........