VA pilots worried about employment 2021

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by Chris2303

Why sell it?

It has few assets - just let it go.

That is a purely theoretical view and doesn't take account of the pain caused to the staff. Oh wait - that doesn't happen anyway these days, does it?

The point of suggesting it be sold is so that there is at least some chance the people will keep their jobs by being absorbed into another operation.

[Chris2303]

Originally Posted by AerialPerspective

The point of suggesting it be sold is so that there is at least some chance the people will keep their jobs by being absorbed into another operation.

I can't see QF buying it, they've nothing to gain apart from a monopoly

Similarly NZ. They were not impressed with their previous association with VA and they were badly hurt in the AN debacle so there will be no way they will buy into an Australian domestic carrier.

DL?????

[lucille]

Originally Posted by Gate_15L

Your all so full of $h!t....

Gate15L... chill.... this is a pilot rumour network. A profession not known for an especially high minimum intellect entry requirement. The ability to engage the autopilot and retract the undercarriage pretty much gets you lifetime membership. Hence you read the vitriol and nonsense on these threads.

Sorry for my despair, but the great toilet paper panic has pretty much broken any faith I had in Australia.

[DanV2]

Originally Posted by Chris2303

I can't see QF buying it, they've nothing to gain apart from a monopoly

Similarly NZ. They were not impressed with their previous association with VA and they were badly hurt in the AN debacle so there will be no way they will buy into an Australian domestic carrier.

DL?????

NZ had a huge role to play in the AN collapse, aside from Peter Abeles, Murdoch, Unions, etc.

NZ at the time had their "own version of Borghetti" in the form of (then Chairman) Selwyn Cushing, a bloke with so much ego he used his veto rights to block SQ from buying News Corp stake of AN, despite fully knowing that his company (NZ) did not have the balance sheet to fix a ailing AN. Cushing was just one of the blokes that put the final nail in AN's coffin, with Toomey as his "sidekick".

Also to add, "the so called Messiah SQ" isn't the 'messiah' that many like to think either, considering SQ also has a mediocre record at investments in Australia and overseas (The NZ/AN bankruptcy debacle, Virgin Atlantic losses, the failed Tiger Airways Australia attempt and now the overspending of CapEx at Virgin Australia with very minimal to no return).

DL may be an opportunity, but I can't see them investing in VA. If DL does though, I can see them reducing international to LAX and AKL only, with SkyTeam partners taking over the rest of what's left of VA's international network. The nickname "Delta Australia" does compliment their "Delta UK" (Virgin Atlantic) division though.

[Double_Clutch]

Are any NZ crew being rostered LWOP (vol or invol?) with the reduction of flying announced?

[Low Pass]

Originally Posted by Double_Clutch

Are any NZ crew being rostered LWOP (vol or invol?) with the reduction of flying announced?

Company totally making it up as they go and in reactionary decision making mode. Probably like most airlines.
side note: Rarotonga totally made money during PB days. Current loading I heard are very consistent and the boys always on weight limits.

“Our main priority is to protect our operation and our crew members. We will do all we can to preserve as many jobs as possible by utilising surplus mitigation strategies such as LWOP, annual leave and long service leave. Where these options are exhausted we will have to consider other alternatives including Stand Down Days and this will be discussed with union representatives.“

[Colonel_Klink]

From the AFAP update last night - all VA737 Australian pilots will have one stand down day rostered as of next roster.

I fear this is just the beginning....

[coaldemon]

This is what the smarter airlines are doing. Keeps the Pilots on the books but reduces cash burn. As for whether RAR was profitable no PB pilot or VA Pilot would know. The issue now for VA is cash burn and USD exposure. Out of the Billion there would be a fair chunk that was already locked up for L/Cs and required deposits and MR's. It is the part that is left and is working capital that needs to be preserved and with the AUD at around 62 cents all the costs went up depending on hedging that may be in place. Going to be a hard few months for Airlines and then another year or so to come out of the economic malaise that will set in. There will be a few more go down

[Double_Clutch]

So let me get this right. Not sure how this works

VA are standing down their own pilots yet they are continuing to feed QQ flying at the expense of their own staff?

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by Chris2303

I can't see QF buying it, they've nothing to gain apart from a monopoly

Similarly NZ. They were not impressed with their previous association with VA and they were badly hurt in the AN debacle so there will be no way they will buy into an Australian domestic carrier.

DL?????

My comment was in response to a comment about VA International, I wasn't suggesting anything about VA Domestic. However, I think DL is the only logical alternative if you want to talk about domestic. SQ are absolutely hopeless at managing anything beyond their own airline and DL has scale and would probably benefit from the investment.

[Paragraph377]

Originally Posted by Double_Clutch

So let me get this right. Not sure how this works

VA are standing down their own pilots yet they are continuing to feed QQ flying at the expense of their own staff?

Correct. It is the cheapest option. It’s about $$$, and Scurrah would rather stand down VA pilots and continue to feed work to QQ. It’s a business decision based on dollars, not on loyalty. It shouldn’t surprise anyone really, everyone is a number - nothing more and nothing less.

[burned_out]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

From the AFAP update last night - all VA737 Australian pilots will have one stand down day rostered as of next roster.

I fear this is just the beginning....

Yeah, would have been nice for those Tigerair Pilots and FA's to get that same choice, instead it was a bullet to the head for about 90+ Pilots and 350+ FA's.
If you think that was a smart decision by Scurra .. then I bet there is a thin line of protection for any of the VA "mainline" peeps, if it gets that far.

[snakeslugger]

Just gets better...NZ govt requires anyone entering NZ to self isolate for 14 days, except pacific islands.

[Berealgetreal]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

From the AFAP update last night - all VA737 Australian pilots will have one stand down day rostered as of next roster.

I fear this is just the beginning....

Haven’t read it yet. Just VAA Pilots or the entire group?

[KRUSTY 34]

Originally Posted by Chris2303

I can't see QF buying it, they've nothing to gain apart from a monopoly

Similarly NZ. They were not impressed with their previous association with VA and they were badly hurt in the AN debacle so there will be no way they will buy into an Australian domestic carrier.

DL?????

Slight thread drift, but make no mistake Chris, the AN debacle as you call it was because ANZ bit off more than they could chew. And don’t get me started on what they did in the weeks leading up to the collapse!

[B772]

burned out: Are you saying 90+ pilots and 350+ F/A's have been terminated by Tiger ?

[PPRuNeUser0198]

Be very clear - Scurrah is only focussed on profitability. Part of why he was selected. He is a cost man. Was at QR and DP. He has made this clear when he came into the business. Which, is the absolute right thing to do for the survival of this airline. There cannot be loyalty, nor should anyone think that there should be. Those days are long gone. You are a payroll number - that is all. Everything else is all just fluff to make you feel good and keep engagement high etc...

[DanV2]

Originally Posted by T-Vasis

Be very clear - Scurrah is only focussed on profitability. Part of why he was selected. He is a cost man. Was at QR and DP. He has made this clear when he came into the business. Which, is the absolute right thing to do for the survival of this airline. There cannot be loyalty, nor should anyone think that there should be. Those days are long gone. You are a payroll number - that is all. Everything else is all just fluff to make you feel good and keep engagement high etc...

Scurrah was also at QRNational/Aurizon (the former QR National Freight Division that was split off QR when the ALP State Government (at the time) split the freight subsidiary (now known as Aurizon) from QR and sold it as a separate company).

[Colonel_Klink]

Originally Posted by burned_out

Yeah, would have been nice for those Tigerair Pilots and FA's to get that same choice, instead it was a bullet to the head for about 90+ Pilots and 350+ FA's.
If you think that was a smart decision by Scurra .. then I bet there is a thin line of protection for any of the VA "mainline" peeps, if it gets that far.

With all due respect - that doesn’t make any sense. VA have had capacity reductions in the order of 6-10 % to date. Hence 1 day of LWOP per pilot per roster for VAA 73 Domestic.

Tiger have had 6 out of 14 aircraft permanently removed. The equivalent number of Virgin aircraft would be 30 to be permanently removed. The scenarios are completely different.

[Led Zeppelin]

Re the NZ announcement - I would have thought operating aircrew are exempted, but that aside, it is correct to think this will decimate trans tasman traffic. Standby for more cancellations by VA, QF, JQ


What a cluster f@ck this all is.