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Old 4th Mar 2020, 20:07
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How do these incompetent losers keep bouncing from one highly paid job to another?
And why isn’t he being investigated for his actions at Virgin?
It’s just unbelievable!!!
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:09
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle
How do these incompetent losers keep bouncing from one highly paid job to another?
And why isn’t he being investigated for his actions at Virgin?
It’s just unbelievable!!!
Its a disgrace. But that’s what you get when you’ve been a CEO - there is always a high profile organisation that wants you on their Board, even if you are a 4 foot tall conceited idiot.


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Old 4th Mar 2020, 23:21
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VA $100 Bonds are down to $78.90 today. Their lowest price ever. S&P Global Ratings has revised its outlook on Virgin Australia from stable to negative.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377
Its a disgrace. But that’s what you get when you’ve been a CEO - there is always a high profile organisation that wants you on their Board, even if you are a 4 foot tall conceited idiot.
Sadly, his appointment most likely going to result in costing operators even more for airport usage.

Sorry for the thread drift.

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Old 4th Mar 2020, 23:25
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VA $100 Bonds are down to $78.90 today. Their lowest price ever. S&P Global Ratings has revised its outlook on Virgin Australia from stable to negative.

This was done 28th February old news.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 02:05
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his appointment most likely going to result in costing operators even more for airport usage.


Does the board decide pricing? I thought that would be determined by the commercial team... Whilst the monopolistic cartel that is airports continue to damage airline margins through the exorbitant pricing - airports need to remember that without airlines - they have no airport (or revenue).
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 02:58
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Does the board decide pricing? I thought that would be determined by the commercial team... Whilst the monopolistic cartel that is airports continue to damage airline margins through the exorbitant pricing - airports need to remember that without airlines - they have no airport (or revenue).
Just look at CASA, the board ultimately approved the cost recovery method.

The board drives the direction of the company/entity.

As a side note, you don’t think previous performance won’t dictate future actions? I give it 18 months until they (Airports) start moving even further away from core business and having everyone else pay for it with given Borghetti’s previous track record.

Ultimately the industry pays for any airport cost increases.



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Old 5th Mar 2020, 03:50
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Originally Posted by havick
Just look at CASA, the board ultimately approved the cost recovery method.

The board drives the direction of the company/entity.

As a side note, you don’t think previous performance won’t dictate future actions? I give it 18 months until they (Airports) start moving even further away from core business and having everyone else pay for it with given Borghetti’s previous track record.

Ultimately the industry pays for any airport cost increases.

The industry doesn't pay. The customers do...
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 03:58
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
The industry doesn't pay. The customers do...
Same same, operator costs passed on to clients/customers. Paint it however you want, but someone (other than the doofuses causing the cost increases) pay.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 05:16
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis

Does the board decide pricing? I thought that would be determined by the commercial team... Whilst the monopolistic cartel that is airports continue to damage airline margins through the exorbitant pricing - airports need to remember that without airlines - they have no airport (or revenue).
By most accounts Boards are made up of lazy, trough swilling fu#kwits who are the custodians of the entity so to speak. The CEO does all the grunt work and the Board sign off on it. Sometimes they add a suggestion, demand something stupid, but generally they provide little value. From memory, as an example, Angus Houston is on the VA Board. Wow! And he knows what about airlines? He left a legacy of clusterfu#ks behind him in Defence and ASA. A decorated nobody who only knows how to ride the greasy pole, ask those who served with him from the early days through to the end of his career. But like IL Deuce, organisations just line up to hire these muppets. Airport commercial people are at the bottom of the pecking order.


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Old 5th Mar 2020, 05:31
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And to think all of PS changes are under the same Chairperson who oversaw the operation under the previous fella who created all this cost.

Its like she just fronts up at a AGM and reads the autocue once a year?

Has anyone even seen the Chair on the line assisting or asking for feedback/etc..?
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 06:10
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Airport property is a lisense to print money. It’s certainly the cheaper alternative these days to have a third party caterer working from an off-airport site donthe catering and cleaning, depending on location of course. And T-Vasis is correct - margin loans for purchasing shares is crazy, unless you are an inside trader. Then again, some people have been burned brutally by property too, buying during the mining peak in places like Karatha, Emerald, Moranbah and so the list goes on and on.
Then Australia is screwed as the previous and current political parties sold these prime assets , how bad for the future of young Australians. Expect GST to rise to 20% in the near future.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 07:54
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ
Next financial results for Jan - June gonna be even worse.

you would have to be out of your mind to buy VA stock now. Well I will caveat that by saying if you want to treat it like a hand of poker at the casino then go ahead.

negative book value ...massive debt, unsustainable debt . Corporate bonds nobody wants ..

https://www.marketscreener.com/VIRGI...65/financials/

and that is before the effects of the virus which nobody knows how bad will be. But it will be bad and any bad is not something a struggling airline needs. It finally killed Flybe and it will kill more airlines.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:06
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Just look at CASA, the board ultimately approved the cost recovery method.


But isn't CASA a government entity versus an airport which is a private enterprise that is motivated primarily by commercial gain and shareholder value?

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Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:13
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
you would have to be out of your mind to buy VA stock now. Well I will caveat that by saying if you want to treat it like a hand of poker at the casino then go ahead.

negative book value ...massive debt, unsustainable debt . Corporate bonds nobody wants ..

https://www.marketscreener.com/VIRGI...65/financials/

and that is before the effects of the virus which nobody knows how bad will be. But it will be bad and any bad is not something a struggling airline needs. It finally killed Flybe and it will kill more airlines.
HNA Group citing liquidation fears, Etihad posting another huge loss and this was before their massive route cutback and Covid-19 outbreak. I hope Virgin Australia can make it through as there are some great buggers working there.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 22:54
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Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
HNA Group citing liquidation fears, Etihad posting another huge loss and this was before their massive route cutback and Covid-19 outbreak. I hope Virgin Australia can make it through as there are some great buggers working there.
I fear the end is nigh
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:07
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Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
HNA Group citing liquidation fears, Etihad posting another huge loss and this was before their massive route cutback and Covid-19 outbreak. I hope Virgin Australia can make it through as there are some great buggers working there.
How does this play out if HNA goes into liquidation? Will they be forced to sell their stake in VA - none of the current owners will buy it as that will trigger the requirement for a full takeover.

What happens if HNA can’t sell their share - or is that unlikely as someone, somewhere will purchase the shares at a ridiculously low price?
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:11
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Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
HNA Group citing liquidation fears, Etihad posting another huge loss and this was before their massive route cutback and Covid-19 outbreak. I hope Virgin Australia can make it through as there are some great buggers working there.
And in usual smoke and mirrors fashion they are blaming Coronavirus, even though they have been heavily selling assets for the past 4 months, and switched from buyer to seller over 18 months ago.

It will be interesting to see how Scurrah will handle the current issues at Virgin, which realistically commenced 2 decades ago and are now gaining momentum. Oh well, if they fold, the Fuhrer will get a parachute into a new CEO role or as a a Board Director somewhere.
The day Virgin stopped being an all 737 configuration was the beginning of this slow, painful end. Where are the Village Idiots and ‘specialists’ now?


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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:22
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VAH shares hit new low of 8.9 cents after falling another 15.24%

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Old 6th Mar 2020, 00:02
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Virgin Bride.
Is she still not for sale or cannot even be given away?
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