VA pilots worried about employment 2021
Coronavirus panic attack? It’s not going away and if the government don’t get real tough on borders we might do another China/Europe and watch the parked jets then.
What will be interesting is when China wants to crank up the flying again Some pilots will go back, some will have found jobs elsewhere and some will say no thanks (given the methods used). Sure they fall out of a tree but it might not be as easy given how quickly they were dropped.
What will be interesting is when China wants to crank up the flying again Some pilots will go back, some will have found jobs elsewhere and some will say no thanks (given the methods used). Sure they fall out of a tree but it might not be as easy given how quickly they were dropped.
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The only thing is, when this was proposed on the VPF forum with a poll, it was a resounding NO vote to help out by the VA narrow body pilots. They feel they are immune to any reductions in fleet or flying. Maybe when it gets a bit closer to affecting them they will reconsider.
Would the WB fleet do the same fore the NB fleet?
Pity it has come to this........... or worse
The only thing is, when this was proposed on the VPF forum with a poll, it was a resounding NO vote to help out by the VA narrow body pilots. They feel they are immune to any reductions in fleet or flying. Maybe when it gets a bit closer to affecting them they will reconsider.
Surely that’s not right?
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The only thing is, when this was proposed on the VPF forum with a poll, it was a resounding NO vote to help out by the VA narrow body pilots. They feel they are immune to any reductions in fleet or flying. Maybe when it gets a bit closer to affecting them they will reconsider.
Those who went onto the widebody went in with the full knowledge that it may not work. Some people didn't take it because they didn't want to take the risk. You can't take the risk then expect a bailout because the cards haven't fallen your way.
Nothing against the sentiment except that it just doesn't work in reality and the pay differential between the two is significant.
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The only thing is, when this was proposed on the VPF forum with a poll, it was a resounding NO vote to help out by the VA narrow body pilots. They feel they are immune to any reductions in fleet or flying. Maybe when it gets a bit closer to affecting them they will reconsider.
Now, tell me more about this VPF forum..........
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Maybe they company will do what if did to ground crew some years ago and get I.T to do a big sweep of everyone’s email accounts and punt those who have viewing, downloading, sharing or accessing porn? That’s one way to get rid of people without paying a redundancy, sack them for breach of the code of conduct. It was a gutless move by a company who supposedly puts its people above everything else.
Maybe they company will do what if did to ground crew some years ago and get I.T to do a big sweep of everyone’s email accounts and punt those who have viewing, downloading, sharing or accessing porn? That’s one way to get rid of people without paying a redundancy, sack them for breach of the code of conduct. It was a gutless move by a company who supposedly puts its people above everything else.
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Capex Blowout looming
That MAX order is probably going to be pushed back multiple years seeing Tiger won’t be needing the swap outs now.
Part of a widebody deal with Mr Boeing will likely result in a deferral of the MAX order until mid this decade.
The fleet is young enough as it is.
Part of a widebody deal with Mr Boeing will likely result in a deferral of the MAX order until mid this decade.
The fleet is young enough as it is.
That MAX order is probably going to be pushed back multiple years seeing Tiger won’t be needing the swap outs now.
Part of a widebody deal with Mr Boeing will likely result in a deferral of the MAX order until mid this decade.
The fleet is young enough as it is
Part of a widebody deal with Mr Boeing will likely result in a deferral of the MAX order until mid this decade.
The fleet is young enough as it is
There is provision in at least 3 VA Group pilot EBAs to preserve redundant pilots' spot on the seniority list for up to 5 years.
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You mean the MAX 10 simulator for the MAX variant that has never been certified. Yes that will be an interesting sale to CASA to get that rolling as a profit generator. As for the seniority issues that will be a mess for years it seems. Also the Widebody order should be an interesting one. The PDP finance will need to be....Flexible...
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The only positive I see in all this is that Scurrah has taken drastic action probably when needed. Borghetti handed him a complete lemon of a company and something had to be done. Doesn’t make it easier for guys and fields at TT losing their jobs at the coal face but if they are offered LWOP or the likes hopefully they can come straight back when things go again.
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The sim will arrive as a 737 Max 8, and once VA has Max 10 airframes the -8 software will be replaced by -10. A couple of extra overhead panel light will be added. Most external customers want -8.
The sim will arrive as a 737 Max 8, and once VA has Max 10 airframes the -8 software will be replaced by -10. A couple of extra overhead panel light will be added. Most external customers want -8.
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I have heard that tiger will go back to their current fleet size when the max arrives. Which should theoretically mean everyone should be offered their jobs back.
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Scurrah and his empty carriages
IATA are now predicting combined airline losses of up to $46b or more. It would seem that IL Deuce timed his exit perfectly, just as with Dixon when he departed QF. And the timing couldn’t be worse for Scurrah the train driver, having inherited a money losing lemon and then the Coronavirus landing in his lap. But don’t worry, I’m sure the Village Idiots and the organisations team of ‘specialists’ will save the day!
The outbreak is hitting other aspects of the industry such as airports, aviation fuel availability (which is imported by ships remember), freight, domestic tourism and the list goes on. There is very little sun on the horizon at the moment as the dark clouds continue to gather. But if you are a Virgin Board member of Executive Manager there is no need for panic - your unjustifiable salaries and bonuses are safe. No LWOP, unemployment of paycut for you.
The outbreak is hitting other aspects of the industry such as airports, aviation fuel availability (which is imported by ships remember), freight, domestic tourism and the list goes on. There is very little sun on the horizon at the moment as the dark clouds continue to gather. But if you are a Virgin Board member of Executive Manager there is no need for panic - your unjustifiable salaries and bonuses are safe. No LWOP, unemployment of paycut for you.
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Well VA is in a cluster **** situation right now with the share priced tanked at ten cents. This is the lowest it has ever been. Fifteen cents during GFC. Complete wipeout in value (and a good time to buy). Being highly-leveraged and exposed to a range of uncontrollables - VA is in a serious world of pain right now...
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I wouldn’t be so concerned with people getting jobs back when the turnaround comes, I would be more concerned if there will be a company to save. Virgin are in a world of hurt at the moment and it is about to get worse with a global recession.