VA pilots worried about employment 2021
Full document has some interesting stuff in it. Airport fees 2.5 times CPI rise was one.
Under JB each fleet/entity profit and loss was shown this one doesn’t show that sort of detail.
Under JB each fleet/entity profit and loss was shown this one doesn’t show that sort of detail.
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202002...7xd2j6xdf0.pdf
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Don"t be too sure it will be the 2nd officers walking the plank. The company interpretation could well be fleet specific. When the 330s go, so will the crews if they can't get a spot in the other fleets. They will argue in court that the cost of all the training involved would be too much for the wreck to sustain. I am sure the unions have got it all under control......
Don't so sure it "won't" be the SOs. EBA refers specially to redundancies being wide body group. (Not fleet specific like the narrow body agreement). Unfortunately the cost argument doesn't stack up as it is way cheaper (and easy to prove) to retrain them than making crew with 10-19 years service redundant.
You are forgetting about the clause that refers to major changes in the business. That little gem means they can do whatever they like that is in the "best interests" of the business. All they are required to do is "consult". It would be naive to think they won't use it. What has worried me over the years is the very small number of people who have read and understood the implications of clauses in both narrow and widebody EBAs. Too late to query them now.
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Not forgetting it at all, and I am sure they will try it on. But unlike the narrow EBA it is NOT fleet specific and the biggest argument for not following an EBA is the cost hit. With over a billion in Cash reserves and easily able to prove it is cheaper to make redundant an SO and retrain the airbus crew rather than make redundancy at a cost of 100-200K per pilot, they won't have a great argument in court for making illegal redundancies. I think you will find both unions will support that argument also. So let's hope for the SOs sake none of it happens at all.
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The numbers are quite wide.
Assuming majority of Airbus crew have 9+ years service. That’s about a 120+ payout for the left seat and 80k for the right seat.
Looking at SO with an average of 3 years service. They would struggle to get 10k.
It’s the same over at Tiger really. The cost of payouts if they combed down the seniority list pale in comparison should they make the entire Airbus crew redundant considering there is a large shift in overall company service pre and post 737 fleet (ie Tiger Mark 1 (Airbus) and 2 (Airbus/Boeing)
Its all about cost with PS so probably whatever works out cheaper
Assuming majority of Airbus crew have 9+ years service. That’s about a 120+ payout for the left seat and 80k for the right seat.
Looking at SO with an average of 3 years service. They would struggle to get 10k.
It’s the same over at Tiger really. The cost of payouts if they combed down the seniority list pale in comparison should they make the entire Airbus crew redundant considering there is a large shift in overall company service pre and post 737 fleet (ie Tiger Mark 1 (Airbus) and 2 (Airbus/Boeing)
Its all about cost with PS so probably whatever works out cheaper
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I’m not certain but I’m pretty sure the majority of them go to the 777 with a handful (top 2) going to the Atr. At least I think that’s been the case with the last few courses and have reason to believe it’s the same with the last batch.
Keep the pilots. Get rid of those titled ‘specialists’, useless surplus management, legacy managers/supervisors who have sucked oxygen for the past 20 years, useless HR, trainers and finance clowns, marketing idiots and especially the majority of the outdated useless safety staff who have done nothing for years.
Fuhrer Scurrah could use this as an opportunity to simply get rid of the crap....finally.
Fuhrer Scurrah could use this as an opportunity to simply get rid of the crap....finally.
If not, change the name to Dunning-Kruger Airlines. At least it will be accurate.
With Chinese airlines having dispensed with most (all?) their expat pilots and ceasing recruiting there could not be a worse time to be an unemployed airline pilot. In the space of 2 months the rug has been pulled under the feet of the profession. There is no Plan B anymore.
Only thing left is to go sit on the beach and wait out this coronavirus panic attack. The panic will end, people will start flying in droves again and the Chinese airlines will be in a recruiting frenzy because a substantial number of their laid off pilots will not return. Jobs in China are high paying only because they are horrible. A 330 type rating will be very useful and experienced F/Os will get DEC positions.
I would hope that at the very least, the industry will give all the pilots made redundant one last recurrent which will at least make them employable for the following six months.
Only thing left is to go sit on the beach and wait out this coronavirus panic attack. The panic will end, people will start flying in droves again and the Chinese airlines will be in a recruiting frenzy because a substantial number of their laid off pilots will not return. Jobs in China are high paying only because they are horrible. A 330 type rating will be very useful and experienced F/Os will get DEC positions.
I would hope that at the very least, the industry will give all the pilots made redundant one last recurrent which will at least make them employable for the following six months.
A 330 type rating will be very useful and experienced F/Os will get DEC positions.
Agreed, this is a terrible time to be dumped onto the global pilot job market.
There are alternatives to redundancy too, and if the powers that be are able to avoid forced redundancy this would give a lot of goodwill going forward. I'd easily accept a pay freeze or other uncomfortable measure if it meant none of my colleagues are removed from the business. I include 1834 pilots on the GDOJ list.
Edit: 1825.
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Before the Coronavirus thing, the Gulags in China were offering DEC positions to suitably experienced F/Os. I would expect that when the panic eventually subsides that this happy state will return as they ramp up operations again.