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Old 19th Feb 2020, 21:26
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ
Cos they want it all. They laughed and mocked how hard 737 drivers were working when they were getting paid to work 40 hr rosters. Now they want narrow bodies to pay for their leave.

Get bent.
open your eyes nutz. You may see it coming.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 22:15
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DUXNUTZ statement has a lot of truth to it. 737 pilots doing 80-85 hours per month, with not recent or discernible pay increase. "Recent" pay increases to E-Jets when they were here, A330 and 777. All negotiated and voted on.

Now you have the Pacific crew (NZ) recently being awarded a pay increase, with less flying, some of which has now been taken up by the AUS based 737 crew.

737 crew are tired.

Let us ALL remember that none of this was the flight crews doing from ANY fleet. Once again, it is expected though for them to take the hit. Easier when they are silo'd as well. Just the way the company wanted.

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 23:14
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The mood and lack of empathy of domestic pilots is exacerbated by the Preferential Bidding System being disabled/degraded within a couple of rosters of the new EBA being voted up.

Years and years of shouldering the burden of fat inefficient factions has made them
numb and indifferent to others’ problems including the seriousness of the Corona virus and it’s effect on forward bookings. At work they’re exhausted at home they’re exhausted and on it goes.

They’re not heartless, naughty (sick leave) or vendicative just tired and stressed. I’m seeing a lot of guys starting to have serious relationship problems.

The “Game Change” program needs to be unwound and the company needs to get back to basics. Unfortunately restraint and seriousness isn’t visible to domestic pilots and this is just pissing them off even more. Throwing parties for Xmas and cutting cakes every week whilst being told of financial woes for a decade doesn’t incentivise or inspire those on at the pointy end of the money truck.

To make things worse, the job has never been harder. The rosters are gruelling and anything that goes near the triangle involves large amount of ATC/flow nonsense with INCESSANT frequency change/chatter, COBTs and Feeder Fix bull**** it absolutely never ends. Atis updates and runway changes particularly out of the “naughty base” Melbourne is incredible. 1 degree change new atis, fire fighters eating lunch new atis on and on it goes.

None of my previous employers (including office work) had this addiction to frivolity and happy faces. You just turned up, did your bit, got paid and went home. If you didn’t like it you moved on and we’re replaced in an instant. Maybe it’s a new era and all companies do it now.

In General Aviation the focus on cost control and attention to detail was second to none, if you put a foot wrong (waste) you would hear about it.

The waste isn’t all one sided, it includes Pilots where opportunities to safely save fuel on the ground are scoffed at. Imagine you ran your own home like that. Meanwhile up at the gate, staff are rolling eyes at unsuspecting passengers whilst looking at Strawberrynet and oncoming poorly presented crew hide to avoid helping get the airplane get back out on time (best mates until it involves lifting a finger on an ARDUOS 9:45 duty). Admittedly hiding from work seems to have become an art form unless you are at the pointy end of the 737 and based in either Syd or Mel.

Professionalism and pride in your work isn’t something you switch on and off you either have it or you don’t.

The ‘can do’ attitude I’ve noticed gradually eroding amongst domestic drivers over the years. No wonder.

Just watch the sobbing if this one can’t get turned around, it’ll be all to f late then won’t it?

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Old 20th Feb 2020, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Capt Basil Brush
DUXNUTZ says; ”Cos they want it all. They laughed and mocked how hard 737 drivers were working when they were getting paid to work 40 hr rosters”

That has never been said by anyone on the 330 you idiot, you are talking through your arsehole. Wake up to yourself and be united with the whole pilot group to work through it, however that may be. You seem to be loving the idea of some of the most senior pilots in the company becoming redundant.
I agree. The WB pilots aren’t the ones who are responsible for the 330 making no money or being put on unprofitable routes??

Management want us to be divided. We should all be sticking together through tough times like these...
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 01:01
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Originally Posted by Servo
737 crew are tired.

Let us ALL remember that none of this was the flight crews doing from ANY fleet. Once again, it is expected though for them to take the hit. Easier when they are silo'd as well. Just the way the company wanted.
that is my point. Instead of “get bent” .... how about see it for what it is and prepare for what is coming. Not the pilots doing. Holding a grudge based on personal perception is illogical.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 01:09
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Originally Posted by Capt Basil Brush
DUXNUTZ says; ”Cos they want it all. They laughed and mocked how hard 737 drivers were working when they were getting paid to work 40 hr rosters”

That has never been said by anyone on the 330 you idiot, you are talking through your arsehole. Wake up to yourself and be united with the whole pilot group to work through it, however that may be. You seem to be loving the idea of some of the most senior pilots in the company becoming redundant.
They may not have laughed and mocked the 737 pilots, but they were more than happy to gloat about doing 40-50 hours a month as that 73 pilot was doing 80 hours. They were more than happy to tell 737 pilots they have a string of 7-10 days off as that 73 pilot has done his 5th 4 sector day followed by 2 days off to then do it all again. They are more than happy to tell the 73 pilots that they are doing a $12k call out for a trip.

A bit of humility wouldn’t go astray - and this applies equally to both WB type pilots. And perhaps if that had been the case - there might be some more sympathy from 737 pilots.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 01:16
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
They may not have laughed and mocked the 737 pilots, but they were more than happy to gloat about doing 40-50 hours a month as that 73 pilot was doing 80 hours. They were more than happy to tell 737 pilots they have a string of 7-10 days off as that 73 pilot has done his 5th 4 sector day followed by 2 days off to then do it all again. They are more than happy to tell the 73 pilots that they are doing a $12k call out for a trip.

A bit of humility wouldn’t go astray - and this applies equally to both WB type pilots. And perhaps if that had been the case - there might be some more sympathy from 737 pilots.
Callouts like that generally involve significant over time. Therefore brings to question the 40-50 hrs per month claim. Sometimes we don’t like the truth to get in the way of a great story.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 02:23
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Trouble brewing here folks:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/19/chin...port-says.html
Original Report at Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-hits-business


China plans to take over HNA Group and sell its airline assets as coronavirus hits business, report says


China plans to take over HNA Group Co and sell off its airline assets, as the coronavirus outbreak has hit the Chinese conglomerate’s ability to meet financial obligations, Bloomberg reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

The government of Hainan, the southern province where HNA is based, is in talks to take control of the conglomerate, the
report said. HNA directly controls or holds stakes in a number of local carriers, including its flagship Hainan Airlines.

HNA did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the Bloomberg report.

HNA Group was once one of China’s most aggressive deal making firms, spending $50 billion to build an empire that once spread from Deutsche Bank to Hilton Worldwide.

It began unwinding those bets two years ago to shift the focus to its core airlines and tourism businesses, after drawing
scrutiny from Beijing and other overseas regulators.

In December, its chairman Chen Feng said that the firm had faced cash flow shortages that forced it to delay some salary
payments in 2019, but vowed to resolve its liquidity risks this year.

The company has in recent weeks come under pressure from the new coronavirus outbreak in China which has forced airlines to cancel thousands of flights.

Hainan Airlines and other airlines have tried to cut their losses by putting foreign pilots on unpaid leave, Reuters
reported on Tuesday. Hong Kong Airlines, also part-owned by HNA, said on Friday that it will cut 400 jobs.

China’s aviation regulator acknowledged the industry’s pains last week, and said it would support restructurings or mergers to help airlines cope with the epidemic.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 02:58
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I think it’s safe to say HNA are done for. Corona virus will just speed it up.

It will be interesting who decides to buy their share of VA and and if, they do in fact get anything for it.......
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 03:26
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I’ll give them a dollar.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Capt Basil Brush
DUXNUTZ says; ”Cos they want it all. They laughed and mocked how hard 737 drivers were working when they were getting paid to work 40 hr rosters”

That has never been said by anyone on the 330 you idiot, you are talking through your arsehole. Wake up to yourself and be united with the whole pilot group to work through it, however that may be. You seem to be loving the idea of some of the most senior pilots in the company becoming redundant.

Words in mouth. Don’t want anyone to lose their job. I do hope the 330 guys get exactly what they are entitled to according to the wide body agreement they signed in good faith. It’s insane that with a seniority system this is even being entertained but that’s what those guys signed up for as a possibility. They sure enjoyed screwing over SO’s for Command priority though.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 09:33
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How did A330 guys screw over SO’s? Did I miss something here?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 14:40
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Trouble brewing here folks:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/19/chin...port-says.html
Original Report at Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-hits-business


China plans to take over HNA Group and sell its airline assets as coronavirus hits business, report says
How the stock markets around the world have remained relatively unchanged amazes me. Well done to the media and World “Health” Organisation for playing this down. Both have lost all credibility in my book.

Eventually the masses and market won’t be fooled any longer and the sell off will start. You think Corona virus/Covid-19 (15 cases in Aus to date) is affecting forward bookings wait til the ASX halves! Then again we might fix this by opening the borders again which shouldn’t pose a problem right? Lucky the WHO know the incubation period and the R0 is nothing to worry about. A vaccine is just around the corner... ..

Wonder how the factories in China are going or the suppliers manufacturers that completely rely on their goods.

WHO are just a bunch of puppets.

Anyway, shouldn’t worry Virgin as the Wiggy ad is taking the world by storm.

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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:49
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal
How did A330 guys screw over SO’s? Did I miss something here?

At the time most were on the narrow body EBA and cried bloody murder about why SO’s shouldn’t be incorporated into the group list on a like for like basis. Now, on the wide body EBA these folks don’t like the bed they’ve made and want us to share their pain?

Hopefully the mass use of leave fixes the situation or they find somewhere else to fly the bus.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 19:30
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Ah ok yeah integration, thought it was a wide body eba thing that I might have missed (reminded me of QF787 SO pay..that’s the definition of a shafting).

I hope by some miracle it gets sorted. Yes there have been the occasional boaster but you get that in any segment of the population. There are a lot of good guys there and really nobody wishes to see a colleague go home
and tell their family they have no job.

My gut feeling isn’t good and the information I’ve been watching regarding the virus is pretty chilling.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 02:07
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The ASX is accepting orders to buy VAH shares at 2c.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 02:35
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Promise to fly ULH and Alan will give you jobs...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rk-London.html
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 03:03
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Surprisingly, the thread starter MAYDAYVA, has not been back since joining on Feb 3rd and starting this thread.

Or has he? Why would someone do that? Some sort of sick enjoyment.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 04:30
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Hopefully the mass use of leave fixes the situation or they find somewhere else to fly the bus.
That probably won’t happen given the poor showing in the recent Part-time and LWOP Expression of interest which was to try and avoid redundancies.
Only 46 expressions received and of those, only 12 from A330 pilots.
The company is trying to save jobs in my opinion, but you also have to help yourself.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 06:57
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hopefully the rumoured announcements will wind back the alliance flying.
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