VA pilots worried about employment 2021
I don’t normally give Alan credit, but I do for this stab at JB and his horrendous management in the last decade at his competitor on Sky News this morning.
As the can has been opened more than ever in the past year, you really have to question how the **** the chairperson still there.
She has got to go when Virgin Mark 2 kicks off after this mess has subsided.
Can a CEO remove a chairperson? I think the majority of the workforce would back him in a vote was held.
As the can has been opened more than ever in the past year, you really have to question how the **** the chairperson still there.
She has got to go when Virgin Mark 2 kicks off after this mess has subsided.
Can a CEO remove a chairperson? I think the majority of the workforce would back him in a vote was held.
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It's a disgrace what has happened at VA over the last decade. So much self indulgence on schemes that that only ever took cash out of the company. I don't understand how the board turned a blind eye to this waste.
Very unlikely that this company will survive in its present form in a COVID environment unless there was a significant cash injection to cover the period where there will be very little domestic flying (Bearing in mind that the most recent ASX update has already been overtaken by more COVID restrictions).
Every airline needs to survive or fall on its own merits. But if the government elects to provides assistance, it has to be on an industry wide basis and I so don't believe the government should go anywhere near nationalising (re-capitalising) Virgin, so if it has to fold, then it has to fold.
If it does fold, no doubt there will rise from the ashes a much leaner version that is run on a much more professional basis with people who actually know what they are doing.
Very unlikely that this company will survive in its present form in a COVID environment unless there was a significant cash injection to cover the period where there will be very little domestic flying (Bearing in mind that the most recent ASX update has already been overtaken by more COVID restrictions).
Every airline needs to survive or fall on its own merits. But if the government elects to provides assistance, it has to be on an industry wide basis and I so don't believe the government should go anywhere near nationalising (re-capitalising) Virgin, so if it has to fold, then it has to fold.
If it does fold, no doubt there will rise from the ashes a much leaner version that is run on a much more professional basis with people who actually know what they are doing.
CEO doesn’t agree, not impressed.
What sort of psychopath chimes in with competetive spirit in a moment like this he’s a F disgrace.
If anything this is olive branch time particularly from the bigger competitor (even if it’s just words). Very few people would behave this way, I hope I’m wrong as if I’m not he’s got some bad karma coming.
This is the sort of thing that could seriously blow up on social media and empty their planes permanently.
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My understanding was Joyce said the government should not look after mismanaged companies - which is a reasonable statement. It would mean that Qantas would then be competing with the government.
Not for a minute do I think the Australian government would seriously re finance Virgin Australia. As much as some want Virgin to fail, I hope that Scurrah can turn this company into a lean and profitable operation once this hurdle is overcome. I think it will mean redundancies in both Virgin and Tiger, whatever the outcome.
Qantas is also not immune, and if the economy flatlines after the COVID threat disappears, pilots will also be out of jobs in that organisation. Joyce has already indicated how ruthless he is in managing this and previous events.
Not for a minute do I think the Australian government would seriously re finance Virgin Australia. As much as some want Virgin to fail, I hope that Scurrah can turn this company into a lean and profitable operation once this hurdle is overcome. I think it will mean redundancies in both Virgin and Tiger, whatever the outcome.
Qantas is also not immune, and if the economy flatlines after the COVID threat disappears, pilots will also be out of jobs in that organisation. Joyce has already indicated how ruthless he is in managing this and previous events.
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This looks a lot like 20 years ago. QF is trying to put the foot on the throat but they never have worked out that with any outside shock they will overstep. In 2001 it was 9/11 in 2020 it is Corona. Either way the Government won"t bail out a private company especially one that is owned pretty much all by overseas entities. As for Alan he will always go for the jugular so no surprise there. QF has enough pain to get through and lets face it there will be many changes to the company models moving forward. We just haven't seen the outcome yet.
Mismanaged there no doubt but the new bloke turns up and before he pulls his chair in 737 Max, bushfires and then this.
Blind Freddy knows exactly what little Alan is getting at. Hope it blows up on him. Clown.
Blind Freddy knows exactly what little Alan is getting at. Hope it blows up on him. Clown.
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I don't think it really matters which company it is around the world - the sad fact is that there will be job losses at most of them. Some less, some more.
The industry just can't switch on and recover overnight from such a global downturn as this, and if the demand isn't there after COVID, permanent job losses or redundancies are inevitable.
Neither Qantas or Virgin are immune from this.
The industry just can't switch on and recover overnight from such a global downturn as this, and if the demand isn't there after COVID, permanent job losses or redundancies are inevitable.
Neither Qantas or Virgin are immune from this.
From a Qantas pilot who is about to receive their stood down email today, take care ladies and gents of you and your families. Remember there is always someone doing it tougher than you and all situations can be recovered as long as you have your health.
Also from past experience, just because AJ is a complete psychopath, it doesn’t mean that anyone else in Qantas wants to see you fail. In fact, most employees at the coal face detest him and don’t subscribe to what he says.
Over the years I came across ex-Ansett employees who had bad feelings towards Qantas employees. When I got to the bottom of it, it turns out that they were angry at Dixon for him saying something similar to what AJ has now said. Remember, we enjoy a friendly rivalry, but we don’t want to see you fail.
Take care and I hope to see all of us back flying soon.
Also from past experience, just because AJ is a complete psychopath, it doesn’t mean that anyone else in Qantas wants to see you fail. In fact, most employees at the coal face detest him and don’t subscribe to what he says.
Over the years I came across ex-Ansett employees who had bad feelings towards Qantas employees. When I got to the bottom of it, it turns out that they were angry at Dixon for him saying something similar to what AJ has now said. Remember, we enjoy a friendly rivalry, but we don’t want to see you fail.
Take care and I hope to see all of us back flying soon.
Good to see some rare civility here, thank you, and best of luck.
I’m sure the Government will not Privatise VA but will assist both Airlines financially.
What really sticks in my gall is the utter hypocrisy of AJ when he bleats about “having to compete against the Government “ if they did privatise VA.
Ansett had to compete with the Government owned Airlines until 1990 and sure they didn’t like it very much but got on fairly well until it’s demise.
Seems like AJ has forgotten this or reckons he could not cope with it.
He sure wants his cake and be able to eat it as well.
Time to sit back and hope this all passes quickly enough to be able to restart both Airlines and also Businesses throughout Australia without too much pain.
Reckon there’s going to be a big rethink on trading with China given their failure to implement lock downs in Wuhan as was advised much earlier by a Doctor than they did.
Hard times ahead but we can and will get through this and it will turn out to be better for all “on the other side “.
Best wishes to all in the Airlines and elsewhere as well.
You will survive.
What really sticks in my gall is the utter hypocrisy of AJ when he bleats about “having to compete against the Government “ if they did privatise VA.
Ansett had to compete with the Government owned Airlines until 1990 and sure they didn’t like it very much but got on fairly well until it’s demise.
Seems like AJ has forgotten this or reckons he could not cope with it.
He sure wants his cake and be able to eat it as well.
Time to sit back and hope this all passes quickly enough to be able to restart both Airlines and also Businesses throughout Australia without too much pain.
Reckon there’s going to be a big rethink on trading with China given their failure to implement lock downs in Wuhan as was advised much earlier by a Doctor than they did.
Hard times ahead but we can and will get through this and it will turn out to be better for all “on the other side “.
Best wishes to all in the Airlines and elsewhere as well.
You will survive.
Thanks Rat,I know there is plenty of moral support for us at the Q,as there is at VA for you guys,and for all in the industry.
It’s good to see it in print after many derogatory posts from others who feel they are immune from the trouble..or just have zero empathy,and probably haven’t been down these roads before,as many of us have.
Hold Fast.
It’s good to see it in print after many derogatory posts from others who feel they are immune from the trouble..or just have zero empathy,and probably haven’t been down these roads before,as many of us have.
Hold Fast.
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I’m confused where the idea of Virgin being privatised by the Government came from.
Was it all just a figment of the Leprechauns imagination to create a headline for himself?
If so, it backfired dramatically!
Was it all just a figment of the Leprechauns imagination to create a headline for himself?
If so, it backfired dramatically!
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Under the two airline policy there was no competition. The legislation provided a "level" playing field.Neither airline could do something without government approval
Under the two airline policy there was no competition. The legislation provided a "level" playing field.Neither airline could do something without government approval
What really sticks in my gall is the utter hypocrisy of AJ when he bleats about “having to compete against the Government “ if they did privatise VA.
Ansett had to compete with the Government owned Airlines until 1990 and sure they didn’t like it very much but got on fairly well until it’s demise.
Seems like AJ has forgotten this or reckons he could not cope with it.
He sure wants his cake and be able to eat it as well.
Ansett had to compete with the Government owned Airlines until 1990 and sure they didn’t like it very much but got on fairly well until it’s demise.
Seems like AJ has forgotten this or reckons he could not cope with it.
He sure wants his cake and be able to eat it as well.
As a temporarily-unemployed QF pilot, all the best to you folks over at Virgin. Like Chad says, no-one here wants to see VA go down.
glad to hear there’s at least one QF person not doing Joyce’s bidding in lobbying their local MP on his behalf
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Windsor Castle update as from METRO Friday 20th.
AV pilots will be pleased to hear that our Queen is now safely ensconced in Windsor Castle, where she will be ready, with the Royal Family to play their part in the challenge!
P.S.: A lifetime ago, Peter Sellers made "I'm All Right Jack". As relevent now as it was then.!
AV pilots will be pleased to hear that our Queen is now safely ensconced in Windsor Castle, where she will be ready, with the Royal Family to play their part in the challenge!
P.S.: A lifetime ago, Peter Sellers made "I'm All Right Jack". As relevent now as it was then.!