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The Rat will now suspend flights to mainland china.
Their two flights are a drop in the ocean compared to the hordes coming in on Chinese carriers. I meant "carriers" in the airline sense of course, not the disease sense.
Their two flights are a drop in the ocean compared to the hordes coming in on Chinese carriers. I meant "carriers" in the airline sense of course, not the disease sense.
Morrison needs to grow some balls.
Why wait till the 9th?
We used to be in trouble because there were some idiots in government who stuffed things up, now it's in the charge of a dangerous cult-follower who is trying to change this country into something it has never been and most of us don't want, a theocracy.
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He must be reading pprune.
Effective 1st Feb anyone from Mainland china banned from Aus excluding citizens. Citizens required 14 day isolation upon arrival.
That should be enough for the Chinese carriers to stop flights.
Effective 1st Feb anyone from Mainland china banned from Aus excluding citizens. Citizens required 14 day isolation upon arrival.
That should be enough for the Chinese carriers to stop flights.
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Their (QF) media release makes it loud and clear, they care little for the pathology of this thing and any "damage" to their crew is cost of business.
May we suggest a slightly asymmetric agenda?
It has been a long held ambition to not only water down the foreign ownership provisions in the QSA1992, but also target a complete merge.
It may be in holding out they are "friendly" prey for a state carrier looking for expansion. Wouldn't that be a "transformation"?
Unfortunately, although tin eared chronically myopic and not terribly sharp beyond self interest, Morrison has had to move,
Australia's political class have demonstrated utter contempt in two stand out cases:
1. Bushfires
2. nCov
Until the lamposts in Canberra have the political establishment swinging from them, better off watching TV.
May we suggest a slightly asymmetric agenda?
It has been a long held ambition to not only water down the foreign ownership provisions in the QSA1992, but also target a complete merge.
It may be in holding out they are "friendly" prey for a state carrier looking for expansion. Wouldn't that be a "transformation"?
Unfortunately, although tin eared chronically myopic and not terribly sharp beyond self interest, Morrison has had to move,
Australia's political class have demonstrated utter contempt in two stand out cases:
1. Bushfires
2. nCov
Until the lamposts in Canberra have the political establishment swinging from them, better off watching TV.
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short flights long nights
What stops people going to Hong Kong and getting on a flight from there?
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Some good news?
Looking at the data trends, and today's figures of 11,374 worldwide cases gives me pause.
The trend over the last two weeks predicts that the current reported cases should be more like 12,400 today.
What has changed? Either control measures like masks and isolation actually are starting to slow the spread, or other factors like the shortage of testing kits and/or political editing is skewing the numbers.
Looking at the data trends, and today's figures of 11,374 worldwide cases gives me pause.
The trend over the last two weeks predicts that the current reported cases should be more like 12,400 today.
What has changed? Either control measures like masks and isolation actually are starting to slow the spread, or other factors like the shortage of testing kits and/or political editing is skewing the numbers.
There must be limits to supply of testing kits, doctors and laboratory resources.
Hopefully, it isn't anything more nefarious than good luck at play.
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Sorry, I haven’t seen this but if it’s correct then how are the crew flying out of Wuhan not been quarantined?
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"As of today, all travellers arriving out of mainland China not just Hubei province, as has been the case up until now, being asked and required to self-isolate for a period of 14 days from the time they leave mainland China," Mr Morrison said.
"To substantially reduce the volume of travellers coming from mainland China, they recommend additional border measures be implemented, deny entry to Australia for people who have left or transited through mainland China from 1 February, today."
Mr Morrison said all Chief Medical Officers of all the states and territories and the Commonwealth met today to discuss the changes.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...0-2e4fead1567b
"To substantially reduce the volume of travellers coming from mainland China, they recommend additional border measures be implemented, deny entry to Australia for people who have left or transited through mainland China from 1 February, today."
Mr Morrison said all Chief Medical Officers of all the states and territories and the Commonwealth met today to discuss the changes.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...0-2e4fead1567b
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Many thanks.
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"As of today, all travellers arriving out of mainland China not just Hubei province, as has been the case up until now, being asked and required to self-isolate for a period of 14 days from the time they leave mainland China," Mr Morrison said.
"To substantially reduce the volume of travellers coming from mainland China, they recommend additional border measures be implemented, deny entry to Australia for people who have left or transited through mainland China from 1 February, today."
Mr Morrison said all Chief Medical Officers of all the states and territories and the Commonwealth met today to discuss the changes.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...0-2e4fead1567b
"To substantially reduce the volume of travellers coming from mainland China, they recommend additional border measures be implemented, deny entry to Australia for people who have left or transited through mainland China from 1 February, today."
Mr Morrison said all Chief Medical Officers of all the states and territories and the Commonwealth met today to discuss the changes.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...0-2e4fead1567b
Dollars short and weeks late.
Scotty from marketing had a scary dream, distant on the horizon shrouded in fog...a guillotine
Whatever one thinks of President Trump, what the USA did stepped around the weasel words coming out of the WHO and dragged idiots like Morrison into line.
As for Fort Fumble, their press release is smugly indifferent, they couldn't care about the welfare of their crew, their passengers or their country.
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No less than GT has the scoop about QF on his website. I think Ch9 and the ABC would have a bigger following, though.
In it he says the RAAF will be transporting the Wu-flu evacuees to Christmas Island. A C17 and a C130 flew the medical teams out of Darwin today to Christmas so there may be an element of truth in his article.
Not sure about his claim "While the 747 can land at Christmas Island the runway is not grooved and at this time of the year subject to heavy rain."
In it he says the RAAF will be transporting the Wu-flu evacuees to Christmas Island. A C17 and a C130 flew the medical teams out of Darwin today to Christmas so there may be an element of truth in his article.
Not sure about his claim "While the 747 can land at Christmas Island the runway is not grooved and at this time of the year subject to heavy rain."
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It's also important to understand what R0 actually represents. It is a measure of potential transmissibility. Importantly, it does not tell you anything about how fast a disease will spread.
And you need to remember that R0 is an average. So if a virus has an R0 of 2 this could mean that every single infected person passes the virus on to two other people. Or, it could also mean that one infected person is what is known in epidemiology as a “super-spreader” and that one person infects 100 people, while 49 other infected people infect no one. You get an R0 of 2 in both scenarios. However, the consistent 1:2 infection scenario and the super-spreader scenario have radically different implications for what will happen during an outbreak. Other coronaviral diseases, such as SARS and MERS, involved super-spreader events. We don't have enough data to say the same for 2019-nCoV.
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The super-spreader hypothesis is faulty. Sure, there be such people who shed virus like a fountain, but that theory discounts the plain vanilla person who infects two or three other people the same way that the other coronaviruses (common cold) get spread. Super spreaders are likely rare, amd add a small fraction to the underlying R0 value rather than be responsible for the bulk of the infections.
The super spreader theory also ignores the effects of one host be in close quarters with lots of other people. Anyone can be a super spreader given enough proximity to enough people. One bright spot is the Chinese habit of wearing a mask when ill to prevent the unchecked cloud of virus in every exhalation. That particular habit is something that the government would be wise to promote on TV etc.
The super spreader theory also ignores the effects of one host be in close quarters with lots of other people. Anyone can be a super spreader given enough proximity to enough people. One bright spot is the Chinese habit of wearing a mask when ill to prevent the unchecked cloud of virus in every exhalation. That particular habit is something that the government would be wise to promote on TV etc.
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I wonder how they are going to handle the influx of CZ flights which are about to land.
These flights are largely tourism, so largely these people need to be sent back, however there ain’t any flights to send them back on, all flights cancelled from their mainland carriers that are not in the air. I guess a few thousand Chinese nationals will be living in Airport Quarantine rooms tonight.
These flights are largely tourism, so largely these people need to be sent back, however there ain’t any flights to send them back on, all flights cancelled from their mainland carriers that are not in the air. I guess a few thousand Chinese nationals will be living in Airport Quarantine rooms tonight.
"One bright spot is the Chinese habit of wearing a mask when ill to prevent the unchecked cloud of virus in every exhalation. That particular habit is something that the government would be wise to promote on TV etc"
no evidence it helps at all - far better to wash your hands regularly
no evidence it helps at all - far better to wash your hands regularly
