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C130 down NE Cooma

Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:59
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Originally Posted by Walking Ballast View Post
RIP.

Nothing I can say here expresses the depth of my condolences, my sadness or my eternal thanks.

You made the ultimate sacrifice for us in coming here to help.

You left your families, your homes and your country to come here in our time of need.

People knew you for who you were. We will remember you for what you have done. You will not be forgotten.
Well said.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:02
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Originally Posted by RatsoreA View Post
Youíd think that if they made it all the way to Cooma from Richmond, a fuel issue would have presented itself before then?
As NOTAM is talking about a week before fuel is available it appears the issue is serious.

Tank use and turbulence can affect when the trouble occurs
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:36
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Originally Posted by Walking Ballast View Post
RIP.

Nothing I can say here expresses the depth of my condolences, my sadness or my eternal thanks.

You made the ultimate sacrifice for us in coming here to help. I didnt know you, and will never have the privilage of meeting you.....but thank you.

You left your families, your homes and your country to come here in our time of need.

People knew you for who you were. We will remember you for what you have done. You will not be forgotten.

Thoughtful words.....................
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 08:35
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My heart is breaking tonight. Bomber 134 has been a familiar sound on centre for the last few months, and I met the crew at Richmond merely days ago.

Blue skies.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 08:39
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
Thereís a NOTAM out quarantining all the Jet A1 at Richmond too
Standard practice. Been through it a couple of times.

DF.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 08:53
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Very sorry to the families, friends and colleagues for their loss.

What a brutal fire season this one has been.. Iím in awe of the work all the crews do..
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Walking Ballast View Post
RIP.

Nothing I can say here expresses the depth of my condolences, my sadness or my eternal thanks.

You made the ultimate sacrifice for us in coming here to help. I didnt know you, and will never have the privilage of meeting you.....but thank you.

You left your families, your homes and your country to come here in our time of need.

People knew you for who you were. We will remember you for what you have done. You will not be forgotten.
I can't put it better.
We are so grateful to the crews who come here to do this difficult and dangerous work.
Very sad.
I hope their families and colleagues know of the admiration of the Australian people who want embrace them in this sad time.
Respect.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 09:44
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Heroes

This is so devastating news, I listened to the sister crew as they did their runs into Mt Eccles and saved the park. It was from the sister ship based in Avalon. I remember thinking at the time with the smoke terrain and speed of approach at 1500 feet how risky this was and their courage at taking on such a task.
On the radio, cool, calm voices got the job done laid down the pink retardent and saved a friends avery on Mt Eccles Road, town of Macarthur did not have to evacuate and there is a great picture of the c130 in their bulletin.
There will be speculation as to what took place in the Snowey fire ground.
But it wont change the fact that we just lost three great people.

RIP you were heroes to the end risking your lives for us Australians!

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Homesick-Angel View Post
Very sorry to the families, friends and colleagues for their loss.

What a brutal fire season this one has been.. Iím in awe of the work all the crews do..
Yep 3 helicopter down, piiots walked or swum away from them virtually uninjured
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 10:08
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Originally Posted by ZAZ View Post
This is so devastating news, I listened to these guys as they did there runs into Mt Eccles and saved the park. It was from Avalon. I remember thinking at the time with the smoke terrain and speed of approach at 1500 feet how risky this was and their courage at taking on such a task.
On the radio, cool, calm voices got the job done laid down the pink retardent and saved a friends avery on Mt Eccles Road, town of Macarthur did not have to evacuate and there is a great picture of the c130 in their bulletin.
RIP you were heroes to the end risking your lives for us Australians!
Not that it matters but are you sure it was bomber 134? From my knowledge only Bomber 391 (RJ85) and Bomber 390 another C130 from Collusion the Avalon based bombers were involved down that way, there were at least 3 C130s in Australia for the season. Regardless all these crews are heroes and their skills level most other pilots far far behind.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by rattman View Post
Yep 3 helicopter down, piiots walked or swum away from them virtually uninjured
On top of that had the sky crane go down in a dam near the Thompson Dam this time last year. Also a fatal chopper last year i think?
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 10:13
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Walking Ballast says it all for all of us. You will not be forgotten. Thank you from my heart.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Walking Ballast View Post
RIP.

Nothing I can say here expresses the depth of my condolences, my sadness or my eternal thanks.

You made the ultimate sacrifice for us in coming here to help. I didnt know you, and will never have the privilage of meeting you.....but thank you.

You left your families, your homes and your country to come here in our time of need.

People knew you for who you were. We will remember you for what you have done. You will not be forgotten.
This should be printed on a plaque and given to their families.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by logansi View Post
Not that it matters but are you sure it was bomber 134? From my knowledge only Bomber 391 (RJ85) and Bomber 390 another C130 from Collusion the Avalon based bombers were involved down that way, there were at least 3 C130s in Australia for the season. Regardless all these crews are heroes and their skills level most other pilots far far behind.
Sorry correction the herc that saved our park was not the one that crashed it was the ship now grounded out of respect and investigation if the one in nsw had a catastrophic failure or not?
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 11:35
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Originally Posted by logansi View Post
On top of that had the sky crane go down in a dam near the Thompson Dam this time last year. Also a fatal chopper last year i think?
A BK117 water-bombing, in August 2018.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Kagamuga View Post
A gesture, so please don't read anything in to it......

A plaque for the families of the three lost today would be a kind gesture expressing our appreciation.
If the NSW RFS or Aussie Government does not intend to arrange for same, then I will happily contribute $500 -$100 for three plaques to be made for the families of those lost in the C130 today. I would take advice on the design, wording, etc
Thanks Guy's
Kags!
Something on behalf of fellow aviators would be appropriate. I would like to contribute to this.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 13:19
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The accident aircraft has a chequered history. Built as an EC-130Q for the US Navy’s TACAMO program, it served from 1981 to 1994 before being retired to the Davis-Monthan boneyard. Subsequently stored at Western International’s boneyard at Tucson, it was used as a spares source for the C-130 operated by the National Center for Atmospheric Research. It was then sold in 2017 to Coulson, who restored it to airworthy condition configured for fire suppression.

Good description of the aircraft and its equipment here: Coulson and SkyTrac partner on Next Generation Air Tanker program

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 13:34
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In aviation film archives somewhere there is an horrific video of the wings coming off a C130 during water bombing.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 13:53
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We have no idea of the causes at this stage but stuctural issues would not surprise me, low level water bombing involves a lot of rough manoevering while heavily loaded which must put a lot of accumulated stress on the airframe, certainly more than normal airline operations.

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 14:02
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
In aviation film archives somewhere there is an horrific video of the wings coming off a C130 during water bombing.
Hawkins & Powers C-130A, 2002.
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