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C130 down NE Cooma

Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:18
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Originally Posted by onetrack View Post
Channel 7 News is reporting that witnesses saw the C130 crash in a ball of fire. 3 crew on board. It looks like the chances of survivors would be very slim.

https://7news.com.au/news/bushfires/...ports-c-661253

The report actually stated: "Witnesses in the area say they saw a “ball of fire” as the aircraft reportedly hit the ground"

Your 'crash in a ball of fire" makes it sound like it went down in flames. I trust you were not being needlessly sensational.


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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:31
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The wreckage of the missing RFS air tanker has reportedly be found by search crews.
Seven News reporter Cameron Price tweeted that that only the tail section of the aircraft is believed to be still intact, with the rest breaking upon impact.
(Fire) Crews reporting difficult terrain and "terrible visibility".
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:33
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Existing thread in the Aussie NZ etc forum entitled C130 down NE Cooma

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:39
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What about the Bird dog that accompanies the LAT and directs the drop? They must have seen everything?
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:43
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Tragic news. R.I.P. to the crew.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:49
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
What about the Bird dog that accompanies the LAT and directs the drop? They must have seen everything?
Unlikely, they are usually the lead aircraft.

We don't know yet whether they were on a bombing run, though the flight profile and location aligns with the current firegrounds
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:54
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Sadly, the ABC just reporting three dead.

One of the riskier aviation crewing jobs - thinking of their families and friends.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 05:54
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All crew were American. No names mentioned obviously.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:01
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Coulson Aviation press release text - can't post URLs yet

While working in the Snowy Monaro Area in southern NSW, Australia contact was lots with one of our large airtankers, a Lockheed C-130 registration N134CG.
The aircraft had departed Richmond, NSW with a load of retardant and was on a firebombing mission. The accident is reported to be extensive and we are deeply saddened to confirm there were 3 fatalities.

The accident response team has been activated as well as local emergency services, Coulson Aviation will be sending a team to the site to assist in emergency operations. Our thoughts and prayers are with the familes of the three crew members onboard.

Sincerely,
The Coulson Family



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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:06
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Has anybody crunched the numbers to what happens to stall speeds or engine performance if you were to pass into extreme high temp, high humidity fire storm air masses?
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:17
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Already seen mentioned that all the Coulson airframes we have in NSW have been grounded.
Not sure of the validity of it though as it came from someone not showing any official sources.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:19
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Originally Posted by SnowFella View Post
Already seen mentioned that all the Coulson airframes we have in NSW have been grounded.
Not sure of the validity of it though as it came from someone not showing any official sources.
Actually it came directly from the NSW RFS commissioner. He stated during a press conference that it is a precautionary grounding initiated by Coulson to rule out things like fuel contamination across their fleet or other "systematic issues" within their operation that may have contributed, as well as a "mark of respect" and for the psychological welfare of their other crews (per the article below). I expect they'll be back up in the air within days or even hours.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-...54?pfmredir=sm

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:20
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Originally Posted by SnowFella View Post
Already seen mentioned that all the Coulson airframes we have in NSW have been grounded.
Not sure of the validity of it though as it came from someone not showing any official sources.
Yep coulson media release says nothing about grounding

https://i.redd.it/30xu65szwgc41.jpg


Imagine the C130 will be grounded for a while but other will be reletively short grounding

“Coulsons have grounded their large air tankers this afternoon and, indeed, as a mark of respect and as welfare for the rest of their crews operating large air tankers here in New South Wales and interstate in Victoria, have grounded the operations pending review to ensure that there’s nothing systemic like a fuel problem or something,” Fitzsimmons said. “We’ve [also] got the military helping us with the evaluation of the fuel to rule that out.”

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:39
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Sad news, the Coulson crews are well respected.
The C-130s had several wing failure crashes in the late 1990's/early 2000s, that grounded the firefighting fleet. It wasnt till Coulson that any were back flying. I know when the U.S. Forest service was set to acquire some from the USAF that wing box replacement was a requirement before acceptance.
I'm hoping this is not another wing failure.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:52
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Very sad. R.I.P.

Three people killed in air tanker crash

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has confirmed that three people have died after an RFS air tanker crashed while fighting fires in the Snowy Mountains.

"Our thoughts and prayers and heartfelt condolences go to their families," she said.

"It was a company contracted by the RFS to undertake that vital work and, again, our deepest condolences to those families who have been impacted.

"It demonstrates the dangerous work currently being undertaken and it also demonstrates the conditions that our firefighters are working under."

The large C-130 aircraft is understood to have crashed around 1.45pm near Peak View while conducting water bombing on large fires in the area.

RFS Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons said it appears no one on board the aircraft survived the crash.

"Tragically, there appears to be no survivors as a result of the crash down in the Snowy Monaro area.

"It's impacted heavily with the ground and initial reports are that there was a large fireball associated with the impact of the plane as it hit the ground.

"We've got a number of firefighters and a number of crew that are in the area and working to contain and work around the fire.

"It is still an active fire ground. It did take some time with the use of ground crews and a number of aerial surveillance platforms to try to locate the wreckage."

Coulson Aviation have provided large air tankers to NSW for the past four or five years.

The company has made the decision to ground its other large air tankers as a precaution while crews review the aircrafts to ensure there are no "systematic" issues.

Commissioner Fitzsimmons said at this stage it is not known what caused the crash.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has announced it will launch an investigation into the deadly C-130 large air tanker crash.

The organisation is deploying a team of transport safety investigators with experience in aircraft operations, maintenance and data recovery to the site of the crash in order to collect evidence.

ATSB investigaotrs also analyse any available recorded data, review weather information and interview any witnesses.

"A preliminary report will be released in approximately 30 days," the ATSB said in a statement.

"However, should a critical safety issue we identified during the course of the investigation, the ATSB will immediately notify relevant stakeholders so appropriate and timely safety action can be taken."

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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 06:54
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There’s a NOTAM out quarantining all the Jet A1 at Richmond too
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:07
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Originally Posted by LTP90 View Post
Sad news, the Coulson crews are well respected.
The C-130s had several wing failure crashes in the late 1990's/early 2000s, that grounded the firefighting fleet. It wasnt till Coulson that any were back flying. I know when the U.S. Forest service was set to acquire some from the USAF that wing box replacement was a requirement before acceptance.
I'm hoping this is not another wing failure.
Even last year 100+ USAF C130j's grounded for inspection after premature cracking was found in spar/wing box
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:17
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Originally Posted by rattman View Post
Even last year 100+ USAF C130j's grounded for inspection after premature cracking was found in spar/wing box
I know both Coulson C-130s were inspected during this time period because of the USAF grounding.

The Flight tracking shows a very sudden deceleration before tracking is loss. I checked and they should have been 1500-2000 feet above the terrain when tracking was lost.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:37
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
There’s a NOTAM out quarantining all the Jet A1 at Richmond too
You’d think that if they made it all the way to Cooma from Richmond, a fuel issue would have presented itself before then?
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RIP.

Nothing I can say here expresses the depth of my condolences, my sadness or my eternal thanks.

You made the ultimate sacrifice for us in coming here to help. I didnt know you, and will never have the privilage of meeting you.....but thank you.

You left your families, your homes and your country to come here in our time of need.

People knew you for who you were. We will remember you for what you have done. You will not be forgotten.

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