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Old 9th Jan 2020, 22:52
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Brisbane Airport RW 01L/19R Opening

Does anyone in the know have a firm or soft opening date for the parallel?
And has anyone had a good look at the STAR/SID design for the new supporting Airspace? (Not sure where it is published)

I am curious who gets the new runway and who gets the current runway. I am assuming Intl operators will want the current RWY because of the taxi distances - a la when YSSY opened the 'third' runway back in 94.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 23:10
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I dare say that the runway selection will be more to do with where you’re going, ie. northern departures will probably end up on 19R/01L, southern on the other etc.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 23:56
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The new runway has lots of rapid exits.
The old runway has had one rapid (each direction) removed.

Landings on the new, departures on the old, perhaps?

However, what morno posted does make sense. BNE’s website has some rough tracks illustrated showing this.


I’m lead to believe that “construction” of the runway and taxiways was completed in November with grooving to begin “shortly” after. Haven’t heard anything about markings or lighting yet.

”Mid 2020” is still the proposed opening.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 00:46
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It seems to me that most busy dual parallel setups use one for arrivals and one for departures with varying levels of flexibility.

I'm sure us Ozzie's can complicate things though
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 01:31
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I'm an independent aviation guy - however Ive heard that the procedures will be published on the May 23 AIRAC date, but the parts pertaining to the new runway will be NOTAM's out of action until opening date.
I doubt that BAC will want to announce a hard date until they have all CASA approvals locked in, the Minister available to cut the ribbon and a decision on which aircraft will be the first movement. Before that expect an open day for the people to walk on the new concrete before being forever banned from so doing

The obvious plan would be to operate as per Sydney, mixed runway operations with NW ARR/DEP from the new runway and SE from the old because that is the most efficient runway utilisation for parallels. However, expect opposite direction operations to be extended as long possible depending on traffic and wind allowing downwind runway nomination (NA 5 kts including gusts), and I expect there will also be pressure from internationals for the old runway because it is closer and slightly longer. My experience also tells me that with Brisbane's traffic distribution, there may be times when segregated operations (landings on one runway/takeoffs on the other) could be more efficient. This disappears when you get to Sydney traffic levels however London persists but with enormous technological back-up and local traffic rules.

The other problem with the Brisbane layout is the taxiway system. With traffic needing to taxi to or from the parallels taxiway utilisation will change dramatically; the parallel closest to 01R/19L will have to carry much more traffic.The closed RETs on 01R/19L dramatically increase the risks associated with using that continuosly, as opposed to just an alternative as is now the case.

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Be interesting to see of BN's other 'holding' airport in the sky BLAKA will get much use once the new Rwy is commissioned?
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:45
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I'm guessing there will be little actual holding once the new runway opens.

Most likely an enroute slowdown to meet a set course time.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 11:48
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Do we gonna get PRM’s?
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Most likely an enroute slowdown to meet a set course time.
Most likely in true Brisbane style, 30 seconds prior to top of descent.
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Originally Posted by Brisbane Sinner View Post
Do we gonna get PRM’s?
I think the runways are far enough apart that there’s no need for that
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Mr Approach View Post
I'm an independent aviation guy - however Ive heard that the procedures will be published on the May 23 AIRAC date, but the parts pertaining to the new runway will be NOTAM's out of action until opening date.
I doubt that BAC will want to announce a hard date until they have all CASA approvals locked in, the Minister available to cut the ribbon and a decision on which aircraft will be the first movement. Before that expect an open day for the people to walk on the new concrete before being forever banned from so doing

The obvious plan would be to operate as per Sydney, mixed runway operations with NW ARR/DEP from the new runway and SE from the old because that is the most efficient runway utilisation for parallels. However, expect opposite direction operations to be extended as long possible depending on traffic and wind allowing downwind runway nomination (NA 5 kts including gusts), and I expect there will also be pressure from internationals for the old runway because it is closer and slightly longer. My experience also tells me that with Brisbane's traffic distribution, there may be times when segregated operations (landings on one runway/takeoffs on the other) could be more efficient. This disappears when you get to Sydney traffic levels however London persists but with enormous technological back-up and local traffic rules.

The other problem with the Brisbane layout is the taxiway system. With traffic needing to taxi to or from the parallels taxiway utilisation will change dramatically; the parallel closest to 01R/19L will have to carry much more traffic.The closed RETs on 01R/19L dramatically increase the risks associated with using that continuously, as opposed to just an alternative as is now the case.
In all probability it will come down to when the Federal Minister is available to cut the ribbon. We all know just how important that is !!
I recall back in the late 60's Mt Isa Airport was literally a tin shed with 2 Airline counters and one set of toilets.After much political argy bargy a nice new Terminal was built , air conditioned and everything modern.
BUT to do the vital act of the Minister opening the terminal we had to still use the old shed for a few months as the Minister was overseas and then on leave so could not do the deed.
Bureaucracy at is best as we were told : " heavens NO , you can't possibly use that lovely air cond Terminal until the Minister has officially opened it " !!
Sheer madness so let's hope this is not the case here.
Seems likely to me that " Rat Air " will be given the honour of being the first to use it . After all we have to have " The " Airline doing that.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 20:19
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At a meeting of interested parties a couple of years ago, it was stated that, despite the new runway being shorter & the very long taxy distance from the International terminal, BACL wants almost all International departures to be from the new runway. It was pointed out that due to tyre sidewall heating during long taxy operations, there may be an issue with tyre failure on takeoff for heavy weight aircraft. The response indicated that the decisons on flight path management had already been made and there would not be any changes.

The word "Require" may have to be used to enable safer departures from the existing runway.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:30
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Once they curfew BN in the future the whole new Rwy concept will be a moot point!
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 23:51
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Around the world most airports with multiple parallel runways seem to use one for departure at one for arrivals, NRT, ICN, KIX, HKG, BKK to name a few. As such I expect Australia to do something different.
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Old 8th Feb 2020, 07:12
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Brisbane ATC starting their training now for the new route structure, SIDS, STARS and procedures.

Seems it will not be like NRT, ICN, KIX, HKG, BKK as implied earlier.

Also changes the ways in an out of YBCG and YBSU.

Assume the major users of the airport are already across all this. An exciting year ahead.
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Old 8th Feb 2020, 09:47
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Lots of new coffee shops at Mellbun airport........
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Old 8th Feb 2020, 21:44
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The original parallel runway plan had parallel taxiways between the Domestic and International Terminals connecting the runways. Some twit went and built a railway line in that spot. So much for forward thinking and planning in this country!!
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Old 8th Feb 2020, 22:09
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I'm glad I moved out of Hamilton/Ascot area...
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 03:25
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It would appear they have gone down the direction of flight being the determinate factor in runway selection if this is any indication.

https://flightpathtool.bne.com.au/bac/map#

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Old 9th Feb 2020, 04:12
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Yes. Flights from the South and East on to the current Runway.

Flights from the North, NW and some from the W on to the new Runway.

Foreshadow a lot of requests for the old Runway that will lead to disappointment!
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